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First Cycle Epi Log - Questions and Advice

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2011/04/05 20:47:38 (permalink)
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First Cycle Epi Log - Questions and Advice

Hey people
 
After much debate i have started my first cycle today of epi. Am 86kg 6'2" and about 15% bf. looking to gain definition and lean muscle.
 
I am planning on running Chaparral Labs 120 caps epi at 30mg a day for 40days followed by a Nolva Pct probably at the standard 60 - 40 - 20 split. i am using fish oils, milkthisle and CEL cycle support as my support supps as well as usual MP protien mix. 
 
i dont really calorie count i just eat when i am hungry (normally every 3hours) and keep it healthy. ie. no bad fats or over processed foods. carbs are usually whole meal/oats or from fruits/vegetable. i will be aiming to get my protien high at about 350ish g per day. carbs lower at about 250ish and fats i dont really know but aiming to keep medium and healthy.
 
I would really like some help on my training advice as their seems to be mixed opinions on the net about what to do while on cycle/pct.
 
i have been running a 5x5 3/4 day spliit routine for about 6 weeks set up as
day1:
Cheast / Tris
 
Day 2:
Legs/ Shoulders
 
Day 3:
Back and Bi's
 
Day4 (optional)
Core.
 
My issue is that some people say that the training should remain the same throughout on/off cycle. whiule others say sets/reps should be increased on a cycle (with weights staying the same) then decrease the sets/reps in PCT but up the weights which helps to maintain gains.
 
Does anyone have any knowledge on this matter? Since i started my cycle today i would like to get the training sorted as soon as possible.
 
Any advice appreciated..
 
Steve
 
Also i might log this cycle if any1 is interested (not that there arent enough epi logs already on MT)... Just let me know..


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    Re:First Cycle Epi Log - Questions and Advice 2011/04/05 22:14:51 (permalink)
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    Hey Bigsteve
     
    I am new to this forum and am also thinking to run my first cycle with EPI.  I would be interested if you logged the cycle.
     
    I get where you are coming from not counting calories but I normally eat very healthy brown pasta, rice lean meats etc.  One day I actually counted the calories and even though I was eating every 3 hours I was not getting more than 2600 calories as the food was so healthy. It may be worth counting just for a couple of days to make sure you are getting enough to grow. My goal was mass though so you may be ok.
     
    With regards to the sets I would say no more than 16 sets for one bodypart.  When on cycle increase the weights to increase the intensity rather than increasing sets and maintaining the weight. Take advantage of being on cycle and get the best gains you can through really tough workouts.
     
    How are your rest days split? what days do you train?
     
     
     
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    Re:First Cycle Epi Log - Questions and Advice 2011/04/06 08:52:16 (permalink)
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    Log it mate, will be interesting to see how you get on and will let you keep a record of what's happening.
     
    I don't like the back & biceps style split, I do a press/squat/pull/lift split (in that order, one day on, one day off) and focus on compound lifts. I'm just going to continue as I am, lift heavy and try to continue lifting heavy when I come off. Strength gains haven't been anything to shout about for me so far anyway but I am eating at a deficit.
     
    As for the food, I'd recommend Leangains to anybody (www.leangains.com). Read up!
    post edited by EnfantTerrible - 2011/04/06 09:06:13
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    Re:First Cycle Epi Log - Questions and Advice 2011/04/06 09:25:44 (permalink)
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    Crjf

    Hey Bigsteve

    I am new to this forum and am also thinking to run my first cycle with EPI.  I would be interested if you logged the cycle.

    I get where you are coming from not counting calories but I normally eat very healthy brown pasta, rice lean meats etc.  One day I actually counted the calories and even though I was eating every 3 hours I was not getting more than 2600 calories as the food was so healthy. It may be worth counting just for a couple of days to make sure you are getting enough to grow. My goal was mass though so you may be ok.

    With regards to the sets I would say no more than 16 sets for one bodypart.  When on cycle increase the weights to increase the intensity rather than increasing sets and maintaining the weight. Take advantage of being on cycle and get the best gains you can through really tough workouts.

    How are your rest days split? what days do you train?




     
    I would actually recommend the exact opposite to this for training :0)
     
    I recommend once half way into the cycle not adding any weight and where strength increases occur perform additional reps to your set.
    Once in PCT and you body is in a terrible condition for adding muscle and wanting to add fat then is the time to challenge yourself with the new strength and whack on the plates and perform less volume but much heavier lifts, perhaps 5x5 training or 4x6 even 8x3. This demand placed on your body to peform lifts with weight it has never encountered is perfect for maintaining muscle/strength that you have gained as your body is being told it needs it incase it enacounters this sort of heavy a8se load again.
    I actually add weight and gain in strength throughout PCT training in this fashion.
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    Re:First Cycle Epi Log - Questions and Advice 2011/04/06 10:10:48 (permalink)
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    jw390898

     I would actually recommend the exact opposite to this for training :0) 

    I recommend once half way into the cycle not adding any weight and where strength increases occur perform additional reps to your set.
    Once in PCT and you body is in a terrible condition for adding muscle and wanting to add fat then is the time to challenge yourself with the new strength and whack on the plates and perform less volume but much heavier lifts, perhaps 5x5 training or 4x6 even 8x3. This demand placed on your body to peform lifts with weight it has never encountered is perfect for maintaining muscle/strength that you have gained as your body is being told it needs it incase it enacounters this sort of heavy a8se load again.
    I actually add weight and gain in strength throughout PCT training in this fashion.

    Interesting theory and makes sense
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    Re:First Cycle Epi Log - Questions and Advice 2011/04/06 20:15:58 (permalink)
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    Cheers for that guys. i mean that is what i thought about training on cycle if to increase sets rather than reps then go big on weights in PCT... i think i will try keep count of my calories... difficulty is i dont have any weighing scales to see how muuch of each food im eating...
     
    Will have a look at leangains when i get the time but it seems looooong... lol
     
    would anyone be able to give me some advice on my training then? particualrly wheather i should go back to 3x8 rather than the 5x5 im on currently for the cycle then obviously increse weights decrese reps after.
     
    I try to focus on the compount excercises so this is where most of my energy goes at the start of the session but a typical week would be....
     
    usually warm up for 500m on rowing machine following the walk/cycle to the gym (about a mile) before each sess + some stretching...
     
    Mon: Chest/Tri's
    Barbel bench 5x60kg (warm up) then 4x5x80kg
    Incline 5x60kg then 4x5x70kg
    dips 3x8-12 body weight
    Flys or cable cross overs 3x8-12@ about 16kg
    (sometimes add in decline bench/ narrow grip bench and swap out incline)
     
    Cable push downs (with bar) 2x12
    and (with rope) 2x12
     
    Wed (Legs/ shoulders - although sometimes do shoulders separately)
     
    Deadlift 5x60 5x80 5x100 2x5x120 - (this is what i achieved traiing yesterday sort of average sess but not my best)
    Squats 5x5x60 - focusing on getting really low rather than heavy weight but usually work up to 80/90)
    Lunges 3x12 (6 each leg if i manage it as i find lunges boring)
    sometimes Calf raises on machine 3x12 about 120kg
     
    Shoulder/military press 3x8 about 50kg
    side raises 3x12x8ishkg
    lateral raises 3x12x8ish kg
     
    Friday Back/Bis
     
    Pull overs on bench 5x5x45kg
    Wide lat pulldown 5x5x65/70kg
    seated row/horzontal row 3x8-12x50/60kg
     
    DB Hammercurls 2x12x20kg - or whatever i can manage
    Cable curls with bar 2x12x 10 - on machine
    or sometimes preacher curl at 2x12x30kg
     
    i would sometimes do a core work out if i felt the need which would comprise of circuits of:
    weighted crunches (about 10kg) 20 reps
    moveing the wieght one side to the other while seated (10kg) 20 reps each side
    commando press? kinda like plank/press up really works the top of abs and do about 15 reps... repeat this cycle 3 times
     
    then do another 3 core excecises focesed more on the side/lower abs and repeat this 3 times.
     
    i recently was doing kungfu 3 times a week which was more conditioning/CV which was good as i was lacking in these areas but for the first 4 weeks of my cycle atleast i will not be kung fu trainging and so will just be focused on weights/rest.
     
    I will be planning a back/bis session 2moro but am unsure as to weather stick at 5x5 move to 3x8 or if anyone could suggest a different appropriate program all advice is appreciated!!!
     
    Time for some dinner...
     
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