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2007/06/15 12:19:28 (permalink)
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First Cycle - Whats best?

I asked some questions about a first cycle, and I know test e would be good. But wanting to break myself in a little more slowly (thinking the time and sides are less). I instead went for oral turunabol, and bought 225 10mg tabs. I also bought some winstrol as well enough to run 50mg per for 25 days.

I was intending initially to stack the 2. As this is my first cycle I am now not so certain and I am thinking of running the ot alone at 50mg per day for 5 weeks.

Should I just stack the 2? If I ran it with just the ot then I would be left with 50 tabs of ot and 25 days of winny at 50mg per day. This would equate to another 5 week cycle that I could run in the future.

The cycles look like this:

Cycle 1

Weeks 1-5 50mg OT per day split into 2 doses

Cycle 2

Weeks 1-3 50mg OT per day split into 2 doses
weeks 4-6 50mg OT per day split into 2 doses
50mg Winstrol per day

Suggestions anyone? Thanks in advance.
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    RE: First Cycle - Whats best? 2007/06/15 12:22:12 (permalink)
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    if your diet, training and rest are all or order i would recommend 500mg test enanthate EW
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    RE: First Cycle - Whats best? 2007/06/15 12:26:17 (permalink)
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    I decided against that. I dont want it to be so noticable at work, as I work in an office.. I went for something a little weaker. I already bought what I described above. Just dont know whether to split it into 2 cycles and save some, or run it all.

    Cheers for the reply though
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    RE: First Cycle - Whats best? 2007/06/15 12:28:16 (permalink)
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    so you want to add an amount of muscle that is not noticable ?

    dont bother using steriods then
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    RE: First Cycle - Whats best? 2007/06/15 12:37:25 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: pao

    I decided against that. I dont want it to be so noticable at work, as I work in an office.. I went for something a little weaker. I already bought what I described above. Just dont know whether to split it into 2 cycles and save some, or run it all.

    Cheers for the reply though


    TBH mate...

    You gain when you get your training nailed mate:

    http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/m_1894280/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#1896751

    IMO
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    RE: First Cycle - Whats best? 2007/06/15 12:59:04 (permalink)
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    I dont want it to be so noticable. I want to increase my strength, and muscle, but I would rather have something that provides slow steady gains. I also dont want to shoot up a weight group either. Im more interested in gaining muscle for strength.. than for walking round the beach with my top off.
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    RE: First Cycle - Whats best? 2007/06/15 13:02:01 (permalink)
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    what about oats and chicken ?
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    RE: First Cycle - Whats best? 2007/06/15 13:14:34 (permalink)
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    Yeah I am already am eating loads of chicken, oats for breakfast and in shakes. Since I started Ive put on over 2 stone and gone from 67 kilos to nearly 90. Things have just slowed right up for me, My bench has been stuck for ages and have other lifts, I decided that this would help my game.

    Maybe I came across wrong, I as going to run test e, but I just think that would be too noticable, and I dont trust over the counter things like superdrol. I think the side effects sound too harsh.

    Obviously I want growth and muscle, but not to the degree of testosterone, at the moment anyway. Is there any chance, seeing as you have a lot of knowledge that you could advise me on my question please?
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    RE: First Cycle - Whats best? 2007/06/15 13:24:43 (permalink)
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    ok sorry mate

    IMO

    Take the Tbol at 80mg ED and see how you get on

    Winny - What body fat are you at?
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    RE: First Cycle - Whats best? 2007/06/15 13:30:32 (permalink)
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    I would estimate my body fat at about 15-16%. My abs are still visible but I dont have a hard lean look, I look like I am bulking I guess. I usually eat in the region of 4000 cals a day, do you reckon I should up this to 5000 as well?

    I could just save the winstrol and run the tbol as you say, 4 in the am and 4 in the pm, would 80mg per day be ok for a first cycle?
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    RE: First Cycle - Whats best? 2007/06/15 13:33:51 (permalink)
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    thats what i would use but thats IMO of course

    the winny would be a waste

    the gains of it are small and it best used for cutting

    seriously though add some test in - try 250mg EW

    will stop you suffering labido probs etc
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    RE: First Cycle - Whats best? 2007/06/15 13:40:44 (permalink)
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    Ok cheers mate. I will leave the winny then. Do you think running test 250mg a week for 5-6 weeks with the tbol would alright?

    I could probably get 5-6 vials of test e for free off my mate as he has loads left over so that wouldnt be a problem at all.
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    RE: First Cycle - Whats best? 2007/06/15 13:49:44 (permalink)
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    6 weeks of test is fine

    for that short time i would double the dose of the 1st shot to get your blood levels even

    i am being told as we speak 60mg tbol would be better at your weight
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    RE: First Cycle - Whats best? 2007/06/15 15:15:23 (permalink)
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    OK mate, 60 sounds pretty good, thats only 10 more than I was planning, and it splits evenly into 2 doses then. I will get the test e as well.

    I guess that pct follows the test e route now and doesnt start the day after my last tab? I have nolva for pct and was planning:

    Day 1-100mg per day
    Day 2-11 60mg per day
    Day 12-21 40mg per day

    I think this will be adequete for the test as well?

    Cheers for the help.
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    RE: First Cycle - Whats best? 2007/06/15 15:16:57 (permalink)
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    PCT starts 2 weeks after your last shot of test :)
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    RE: First Cycle - Whats best? 2007/06/15 15:29:12 (permalink)
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    Cheers for the help. Quite excited now!
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