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2006/07/16 15:36:56 (permalink)
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First Cycle :)

Hey brothers,

am planning my first cycle after deciding injecting myself wont be as bad as i think.lol.

I want to run a course of 8 weeks on : week 1 - 4 : Dianabol 30mg ed
week 1 - 8 : Test E 500mg ew

Followed by the usual 3 weeks PCT using Nolva.

Am currently 20 yrs old, 12.5 stone, 5 foot 11, bench press 120kg, deadlift 135kg, squat 160kg.


Hoping you guys have some input/suggestions/criticisms about the cycle and what i can expect from it in forms of strength and size.

Thanks in advance.
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    beastrg
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    RE: First Cycle :) 2006/07/16 15:59:41 (permalink)
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    little young mate IMO...uve still got plenty natty test to grow with

    But as for the cycle that is a nice starting cycle but make sure ur training and diet are 110%
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    Scotty2Hotty
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    RE: First Cycle :) 2006/07/16 16:03:24 (permalink)
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    A little young for that cycle or gear in general?

    Any consequences for doing cycles when young as myself?

    At what age was your first cycle?

    Thanks
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    RE: First Cycle :) 2006/07/16 16:16:06 (permalink)
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    Anabolic steroids promote strength gain, muscle synthesis, and increased metabolic capacity. Their responsible, moderate use improves athletic performance, cosmetic appearance, and perceived social opportunity and self-esteem. However, anabolics achieve their effects by perturbing the human endocrine system, a complex feedback mechanism of glands and organs that are, in healthy and youthful persons, in an exquisite state of natural balance. Compounds like anabolic steroids that alter this balance are appropriate for use only by mature, well-trained athletes who understand these drugs, their risks and their benefits. Except in the case of prospective users of clear promise for national or international ranking in a sport, realistically hopeful for the kinds of benefits such ranking confers, the following should be characteristic of anyone, of any age, prior to the addition of anabolic steroids to a training regime:


    1. PHYSICAL MATURITY. Anabolics can, through either direct or indirect effects, cause premature closure of the epiphyseal plates (growth plates) at the end of bone, an irreversible effect that may result in permanently shorter stature than the athlete would otherwise achieve. Therefore, the athlete should have reached full physical stature and maturity of the skeleton before contemplating anabolic use. In most cases, full stature is not reached until the very late teens and, in many cases, development of both long skeletal bones and joint assemblies (hips and shoulders) continues into the early 20's, development of the larynx (voice box) into the mid-20’s.


    2. SIGNIFICANT MATURE MUSCULARITY. Anabolics have poor effect, or transitory effect, on athletes in mediocre condition; in addition, their tendency to boost muscle strength ahead of the strength of supporting tendons and ligaments can lead to debilitating injury in athletes without substantial prior training. Therefore, the athlete should have accumulated a significant amount of mature muscle mass and tendon strength through a dedicated program of resistance training prior to beginning anabolic use. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in training efficiency and effects, a minimum of 3 years, perhaps as many as 7, of dedicated weight training is required to achieve this necessary physical foundation, on which anabolics can be used safely and to best effect.


    3. THOROUGH KNOWLEDGE. Anabolics are not a substitute for proper technique or applied knowledge of the basics of exercise physiology. Therefore, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should have a very thorough and detailed knowledge of lifting technique, dietary practice, recuperative processes, and hormonal and nonhormonal supplementation, and should if possible prepare for the use of anabolics under the guidance of a trusted mentor who has mastered these issues. In particular, the athlete should have an excellent understanding of the uses, effects, and risk profiles of anabolics, and should be thoroughly conversant with the kinds of ancillary agents that minimize side-effects and speed post-cycle recovery. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in the pace at which this knowledge is acquired, at least a year of arduous study and reading is necessary to understand anabolics and post-cycle recovery, and at least 4 years of practice is required to establish the requisite knowledge base of lifting technique, recuperation, and diet.


    4. PSYCHOLOGICAL MATURITY. Anabolic steroids can have marked effect on mood and disposition, either during the cycle of active use, or its aftermath. Therefore, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should have the psychological health and maturity that will enable him or her to use anabolics with minimal social, psychological, and legal risk to both him/herself and his/her network of partners and collaborators. In addition, the athlete should be firm enough in purpose and balanced enough in approach to understand not only how and when to initiate use of anabolics, but how and when to curtail or abandon use safely should that need arise.


    The use of anabolic steroids is unwise for persons who have not satisfied these prerequisites, though exceptions may be made in cases of very unusual athletic promise. While not a function of mere calendar age per se, it is unarguable that, on average, the likelihood that these conditions will have been met increases as the age of the prospective anabolic user increases.


    For the reasons adduced above, the following statement of consensus opinion is made:

    Allowing for substantial individual variability, and with the exception of cases of truly outstanding athletic promise, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should be socially and physically mature, psychologically healthy, and should have completed 4 to 7 years of dedicated, mentored training in strength/endurance athletics and study in lifting technique, dietary practices, recuperation skills and supplementation. In most cases, the athlete will have reached the age of 21 before these prerequisites are in place, recognizing that many athletes will not have achieved the necessary experience, physical maturity, and psychic balance until their mid-20's or even later.



    There are many side effects, some of which are specific to teen users:

    Acne
    Possible increase in Male Pattern Baldness
    Gynecomastia (bitch tits)
    Stunted growth (premature closing of growth plates - not only affects height, but also other long bones such as collar bone)
    Natural testosterone production supression (not ideal at such an important time for your endocrine system)
    Risk of injury (anabolics normally provide an increase in strength. Muscles react more quickly than tendons. This can be an issue even for veteran lifters - potentially much more of a problem for novice trainers who's form is still likely to be poor)
    Possible liver stress with alkylated steroids
    Possible sexual dysfunction
    Testicle shrinkage
    Temporary infertility
    Changes in blood lipids
    Increases in blood pressure
    Oedema

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    Scotty2Hotty
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    RE: First Cycle :) 2006/07/16 16:40:51 (permalink)
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    Nice reply PB, Read it all, twice infact jus so ya know it weren wasted.

    Think i fulfill all of the prequisits but may still lay off till 21 next year.

    Any other suggestions welcome.

    Thanks guys
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    Mr.Twitch
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    RE: First Cycle :) 2006/07/16 17:48:48 (permalink)
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    i think you should hold off a bit..but my experience over the years tells me odds are your gonna do it anyway and what you have planned wouldnt be a bad choice for a first cycle..could even drop the dbol.
    i prefer to run clomid as well as nolvadex for pct
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    tylerhen
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    RE: First Cycle :) 2006/07/16 21:28:52 (permalink)
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    You probably won't listen but......if you hold off until youre atleast 23, 25 years old and train naturally.......you will be ahead of the game.
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    RE: First Cycle :) 2006/07/16 23:18:41 (permalink)
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    you're quite srong already, give it a year or two and see if your gains stop then think about gear.
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    RE: First Cycle :) 2006/07/16 23:24:52 (permalink)
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    Thanks guys, appreciate the advice.

    Whats the advantages of using clomid and nolva?

    In general do the gains made naturally stop as i do think they have slowed significantly ? have been training around 4 years.

    Why would you suggest taking the Dbol out, or is it jus too much for a first cycle?

    Thanks
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    big_mal
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    RE: First Cycle :) 2006/07/16 23:29:39 (permalink)
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    Why would you suggest taking the Dbol out, or is it jus too much for a first cycle?


    you're not listening mate - they don't just suggest taking the dbol out, they suggest you give steroids a miss completely for now. and i agree with them. read partyboy's post above again.
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    RE: First Cycle :) 2006/07/16 23:34:04 (permalink)
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    Oh no i definately take in everything said, but now im jus wondering for my own knowledge.

    I think all of you guys our right for now but i still like to learn new stuff,

    i read so many articles on this forum its unreal.
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