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2006/07/07 14:37:45 (permalink)
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First cycle, poor gains.

Im currently into week 8 of my first cycle running the following:

10 weeks Iranian Test Enth 500mg (Jabs Mon & Thurs)

However my gains have been very poor so far to say the least. In nearly 8 weeks I have gained around 6 lbs at most. I dont seem to be holding any water and to be honest I certainly dont feel the same kick what people report when on test, i.e no increased sex drive, no acne (which I am prone to), no hairloss, nothing.

Usually when I see a post like this the first thing I would think would be "check your diet and training" but I am absolutely certain they are fine. Indeed, I ran a 3 week superdrol cycle earlier in the year, on which I gained and kept 8lbs after PCT. Ive also gained over 44lbs naturally in the 2 and a bit years Id trained previously.

My diet is a standard bulking diet around 3500-4000cals, ~500g carbs from oats/wholemeal bread/rice/potatoes etc and ~250g protein from tuna/beef/chicken etc. I also have good sources of EFAs from oily fish and flax and eat plenty of fruit.

My training revolves around the basic compounds (12/10/8/6 pyramid, last set to failure):

Mon - Chest/Triceps - BB bench/Incline DB bench/CG Bench/Pressdowns and Abs
Tue - Quads/Calves - Squat/Leg Press/Calf Raises
Thu - Back/Biceps - Deads/Chin-ups/B-O Rows/ BB Curls
Fri - Shoulders/Hams - Military Press/Db Shoulder Press/SLDL/Hamstring Curls

Needless to say, Im stumped, surely even if my diet and training were crap Id gain more than 6lbs on 500mg test? I just cant for one minute believe that the gains are superior from a 3 week oral cycle compared to a 10 week injectable test cycle!

Many thanks.


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    RE: First cycle, poor gains. 2006/07/07 14:39:25 (permalink)
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    if your diet and training are good, your gear is fake - end of story

    post some pix of it - lots of fake iranians about atm
    post edited by cLaTTeReD - 2006/07/07 14:43:23
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    RE: First cycle, poor gains. 2006/07/07 14:40:03 (permalink)
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    You sure you gear is real mate? If you say you are holding no water, then 6lb of lean doesnt sound bad to me
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    RE: First cycle, poor gains. 2006/07/07 15:31:56 (permalink)
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    id be happy with 6lb of muscle now but for a first i would have expected a 20lb increase in weight and keep maybe 10-14 after pct, no increase in sex drive makes me think your gear is fake, you should be like the duracel bunny
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    RE: First cycle, poor gains. 2006/07/07 15:35:20 (permalink)
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    reef mate, what are the batch numbers and manufacture/expiry dates on the amps??

    cheers.
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    RE: First cycle, poor gains. 2006/07/07 15:55:45 (permalink)
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    there you go the anticlimax you thought the gear was gonna turn you into a muscle bound monster off mass and it didnt .

    gear is just the icing on the cake get diet and training right first.

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    RE: First cycle, poor gains. 2006/07/07 15:57:14 (permalink)
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    6 pound pure tissue if it is is good going , a years worth of gains if its all quality muscle.

    Personal training, diet advice, contest prep , ped cycle advice in essex.
     
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    RE: First cycle, poor gains. 2006/07/07 17:00:41 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: trainhard1

    reef mate, what are the batch numbers and manufacture/expiry dates on the amps??

    cheers.


    Hi mate, for the first 7 weeks Ive been using the old style amps. Batch number is 054, manufacture date: 03/2005, expiry date: 03/2010. In week 8 Ive since switched to using the new style white dot amps, batch No: 073, manufacture date: 02/2006, expiry date: 02/2011.

    I trust my source and looking at the amps have no reason to believe they are fake. Any chance that batch 54 are simply underdosed? Someone mentioned this in another thread:

    http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/Iran_test_amp_size_flux/m_1216043/tm.htm
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    RE: First cycle, poor gains. 2006/07/07 17:08:38 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: reef

    10 weeks Iranian Test Enth 500mg (Jabs Mon & Thurs)
    I dont seem to be holding any water and to be honest I certainly dont feel the same kick what people report when on test, i.e no increased sex drive, no acne (which I am prone to), no hairloss, nothing.





    from that I would have agree with the fake gear assesment.

    How much do you weight bro??

    tbip2001
    post edited by tbip2001 - 2006/07/07 17:09:13

    "You gotta eat big to be big!"

    6'6"- 270lbs - 19.5" arm
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    RE: First cycle, poor gains. 2006/07/07 17:14:49 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: tbip2001

    from that I would have agree with the fake gear assesment.

    How much do you weight bro??

    tbip2001



    Im about 12 stone 8 at a tad under 5ft 10, reasonably lean with a 30" waist and about 12% BF. Im not the heaviest of people, but I was 8 stone 12 when I started 2 and a bit years ago. Im certain my diet and training are fine, if I can gain so much naturally in 2 years then surely if I was actually on 500mg test a week Id gain more than 6lbs in 8 weeks!
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    RE: First cycle, poor gains. 2006/07/07 17:15:45 (permalink)
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    You aren't eating enough, every time you make gains you have to then eat more if you want to keep gaining.

    Eat more and see how you go.
    post edited by Dazsw - 2006/07/07 17:16:23

    Till death do us train.


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    RE: First cycle, poor gains. 2006/07/09 10:01:25 (permalink)
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    reef, i can't remember exactly which site i saw it on (i think it may have been anabolic review) but i have seen a lab result for lot 54 being dosed at around the 125mg/ml mark.
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    RE: First cycle, poor gains. 2006/07/09 16:13:05 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: trainhard1

    reef, i can't remember exactly which site i saw it on (i think it may have been anabolic review) but i have seen a lab result for lot 54 being dosed at around the 125mg/ml mark.


    that is correct
    batch# 54 is way underdosed
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    RE: First cycle, poor gains. 2006/07/15 23:45:17 (permalink)
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    Just a quick update.

    Ive now been using the new white top iranians for two and a half weeks and have definitely noticed an increase in sex drive and more in the way of acne. It does indeed seem that Ive essentially been running around or less than 250mg EW during my first 7 weeks

    To say Im p*ssed off is an understatement, by the time I reach the end of week 10 (planned end of cycle) the new iranians will just be kicking in (at the correct dose). Im debating whether to extend the cycle, but regardless of dose I was running, Im going to be shut down just as bad.
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    RE: First cycle, poor gains. 2006/07/16 01:05:52 (permalink)
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    I am having the same I am on a VERY old batch of iranians, batch 31/32 and I heard they are underdosed as well at around 100-150... I am prone to acne, I had it before I cycled, and yet it's been better if anything since I've been on, no other sides to report, and hardly any water... strength is up a little but nothing crazy, I'm 6 weeks in. I'm tempted to switch to the CE UG stuff I've got and see if it's any better....


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    RE: First cycle, poor gains. 2006/07/16 02:12:45 (permalink)
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    EVEN IF IT IS REAL.
    GEAR IS NO MAGIC STUFF U STILL HAVE TO PUT THE WORK IN AND THE EATING
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    RE: First cycle, poor gains. 2006/07/16 02:52:35 (permalink)
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    No **** sherlock.


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