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First mma class Madness you decide?

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2007/06/13 01:21:15 (permalink)

First mma class Madness you decide?

I attended my first mma class today after putting it off for a while. Ive always been interested in mma and went to try it.

The first thing the coach said to the newbies was he was only interested in the people who were willing to fight at semi or pro level in the uk for him.

Then he goes on to say how he is insured and if anyone breaks their necks they cant sue him.

So the training starts and he throws the newbies in with all the more advance people including the so called pros.

He told eveyone to just push and pull eachother. so i went round with different partners just pushing and pulling. this wasnt too bad but i was getting mauled and my neck wasnt feeling too good with people really pulling down on it.

Next we put on the sparring mma gloves. And they were only 4 ounce which i couldnt believe. Is this right? shouldnt they be bigger ounce for sparring.

Next we did rounds of clinching while trying to throw knees. then rounds of clinching with dirty boxing. not everyone stuck to the dirty boxing and i had a good few shots hit me one leaving a small cut on my head.

For the rest of the lesson we did ju jitsu but he said he had no time to explain the basics and that the newbies would pick it up as we went along.

I really like mma but i dont feel us new guys should of just been thrown to the wolves like that. Im feeling terrible after it my neck is stiff as anything and ive got a banging headache.

Am i right in saying that if i dont know the basics how the hell im i going to progress to become a good all round figther. I know where he is coming from by throwing us in with the 10 times better guys but i know little about techniques for setting things up etc.

I think im going to attend the other gym in my town which has a great reputation and they have a beginners class where they focus on basics and once the coach feels your good enough to cope he puts you in the advandced class.


What do you think should i try and stick it out at this gym or give the other one a try.
post edited by Mallon - 2007/06/13 01:22:55
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    el_Supremo
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    RE: First mma class Madness you decide? 2007/06/13 09:29:49 (permalink)
    Some of the others will have more experince than me, but it wouldnt happen in my Muay Thai class.

    Maybe the coach is just p1ssed off with loads of new folk starting then dropping out and he is trying to put them off early so only the ones that love it stay.

    Sparring with 4 oz gloves sounds dangerous though, and if I was having to spend all my time sparring with new folk I wolndt be chuffed as I would get very little out of it.
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    RE: First mma class Madness you decide? 2007/06/13 12:25:40 (permalink)
    Sparring in 4oz gloves is ok if you take it easy and are fairly experienced so have good control. Certainly not something you get beginners to do who don't know the basics yet. I take it he didn't have you using gum shields or headguards either?

    As a coach it can often be difficult to balance a mixed abilities class as you need basics to keep beginers happy but also more advanced stuff for your pros. Best to either split the class or have more than one coach so you can split into groups and work at an appropriate level.
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    RE: First mma class Madness you decide? 2007/06/13 12:43:01 (permalink)
    That class is def not what you are looking for. There are other classes out there that will suit you better. Whether he gets results from his pros I don't know, but that's a daft way to introduce(or not as the case maybe) to the sport.
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    RE: First mma class Madness you decide? 2007/06/13 15:54:36 (permalink)
    you may have learned more than you realise.

    When i have sparred with people on there 1st session. I use say 40% of my energy but still keep on top and in control for the most part of the sparring. I keep it safe and do not do anything to hurt them long term. But they may feel like you and thought i was going to kill them, when i am just playing.

    if hes doing a class that he only wants fighters for then and you do not want to do this. may be join another club.

    can you say what club you went to?

    though at the same, some clubs can be full of ar** holes and you may have gone to that club.

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    RE: First mma class Madness you decide? 2007/06/13 16:08:29 (permalink)
    Are you sure they are 4oz and not 14oz and the '1' has been rubbed off due to use. My mate has a pair of the fairtex 16oz mma gloves and they are tiny, smaller than a pair of bag gloves, i'd say my hand wraps weigh more than 4oz!

    As El supremo says he is maybe weeding out the fanny's at a very early stage, BUT there is a difference between weeding out the fanny's and being a bully and beating up novices.
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    RE: First mma class Madness you decide? 2007/06/13 16:19:20 (permalink)
    f hes doing a class that he only wants fighters for then and you do not want to do this. may be join another club.

    can you say what club you went to?


    Yeh defo only 4 ounce gloves. It was more grappling sparring and sparring when someone was in your guard with punches coming down on you while you try to defend from the bottom. He said he wasnt bothered if you had a mouthguard or not.
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    RE: First mma class Madness you decide? 2007/06/13 16:40:35 (permalink)
    be interested to know the name of the club.
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    RE: First mma class Madness you decide? 2007/06/13 18:23:42 (permalink)
    Sounds harsh but i find that sometimes when the learning curve is steepest i learn more .Try the other club tho you may prefer the style there because at the end of the day its meant to be fun .
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    RE: First mma class Madness you decide? 2007/06/13 18:36:44 (permalink)
    Are you sure they are 4oz and not 14oz and the '1' has been rubbed off due to use. My mate has a pair of the fairtex 16oz mma gloves and they are tiny, smaller than a pair of bag gloves, i'd say my hand wraps weigh more than 4oz!


    that makes no sence how can it be 16oz and smaller than a bag glove? it is prob 6.

    normal mma gloves are 4oz and i roll/spare with them. but on a light basis.

    anyway...

    i like the sound of your lesson, wouldnt advice ti for a beginer but i'd like it! where was it? or would u rather not say?



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    RE: First mma class Madness you decide? 2007/06/13 18:39:58 (permalink)
    As a gym owner and instructor I think your MMA instructor is talking rubbish. Just because he is insured does not stop him from being sued for doing something wrong and causing harm to a student, having indemnity insurance against wrongful instruction may cover him if he adheres to the conditions of his insurance I think. Also his insurance would require him to ensure students wear gum shields and any other relavant protective equipment. Also any student who continues training would need their own insurance/license which is usually done through the instructor who should be affiliated to a governing body in order to obtain insurance himself. If I were you I would ask him about your insurance and his for that matter, which will probably pee him off anyway.
    post edited by KICKFIGHTER - 2007/06/13 19:37:57

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    RE: First mma class Madness you decide? 2007/06/13 19:18:13 (permalink)



    Are you sure they are 4oz and not 14oz and the '1' has been rubbed off due to use. My mate has a pair of the fairtex 16oz mma gloves and they are tiny, smaller than a pair of bag gloves, i'd say my hand wraps weigh more than 4oz!


    ORIGINAL: powerpusher

    that makes no sence how can it be 16oz and smaller than a bag glove? it is prob 6.

    normal mma gloves are 4oz and i roll/spare with them. but on a light basis.

    anyway...

    i like the sound of your lesson, wouldnt advice ti for a beginer but i'd like it! where was it? or would u rather not say?


    Sence?

    Alright then, comparing the 16oz fairtex mma mitts to proper gloves they are about the same size as a bag glove, apart from obvioulsy the padding is distributed different between the 2 differing gloves, and nowhere near the size of a 16oz full boxing glove. Make sense enough for ya?

    These are the ones - http://www.thaiboxingstore.co.uk/product.aspx?pid=194 and on the pair my mate has there is a little label with 16oz on somewhere on the cuff.
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    RE: First mma class Madness you decide? 2007/06/13 20:00:38 (permalink)
    MMA Sparing gloves : http://www.supplement-select.co.uk/product/asp/ProdID/2119/CtgID/2114/af/page.htm

    MMA Competition Gloves: http://www.supplement-select.co.uk/product/asp/ProdID/2118/CtgID/2114/af/page.htm

    The Sparring gloves actually give pretty good protection, however alot of trainees don't like the expense of owning 2 pairs of gloves, and/or prefer the mean looking competition gloves and so just use those for everthing.
    post edited by BFT - 2007/06/13 20:01:04
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    RE: First mma class Madness you decide? 2007/06/13 20:14:33 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Mr Jingles




    Are you sure they are 4oz and not 14oz and the '1' has been rubbed off due to use. My mate has a pair of the fairtex 16oz mma gloves and they are tiny, smaller than a pair of bag gloves, i'd say my hand wraps weigh more than 4oz!


    ORIGINAL: powerpusher

    that makes no sence how can it be 16oz and smaller than a bag glove? it is prob 6.

    normal mma gloves are 4oz and i roll/spare with them. but on a light basis.

    anyway...

    i like the sound of your lesson, wouldnt advice ti for a beginer but i'd like it! where was it? or would u rather not say?


    Sence?

    Alright then, comparing the 16oz fairtex mma mitts to proper gloves they are about the same size as a bag glove, apart from obvioulsy the padding is distributed different between the 2 differing gloves, and nowhere near the size of a 16oz full boxing glove. Make sense enough for ya?

    These are the ones - http://www.thaiboxingstore.co.uk/product.aspx?pid=194 and on the pair my mate has there is a little label with 16oz on somewhere on the cuff.



    they are not 160z, not even close. i have a 16oz pair of sparring gloves and 16oz in a small glove would make it pretty rock solid and pointless!



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    RE: First mma class Madness you decide? 2007/06/14 00:14:24 (permalink)
    That's right an MMA spar glove is nowhere near 16oz. 16oz boxing gloves are pretty big.
    MMA fight gloves (pro MMA standard) are approx 4oz and MMA spar gloves vary but are usually between 6-10 oz. I did read (on Rogues sparmaster ad) that the padding gives the same thickness as a 16oz boxing glove, just over a smaller area but the deffo ain't that heavy.
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    RE: First mma class Madness you decide? 2007/06/14 16:15:39 (permalink)
    I've never done MMA, but the structure of the class seems to be non-existant, and it will be purely down to chance if you do learn in that environment. Another problem is your destiny is in the hands of the more experienced guys you are sparring with. What if they don't care about whether you learn or not?

    I went through that in amatuer boxing, and it always annoys me when I go on the internet and hear people saying that is the best way to learn; "learn the hard way," and all that. It isn't.
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