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First planned cycle

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2007/06/09 15:07:49 (permalink)

First planned cycle

First cycle for my brother:

Height: 5 feet 8 inches Weight: 175 pounds Body-fat: 11%


Cycle:

1-4 30mg D-Bol ED (at equal intervals during the day)
1-12 500mg Test-E EW (2 times 250mg shots pw)
1-10 275mg Deca EW (2 times 137.5mg shots pw)
1-14 0.5mg Arimidex EOD
4-14 1000 IU HCG (2 shots of 500 IU pw)

Post Cycle Therapy:

Four days after last HCG shot take 150mg Clomid+ 40mg Nolva ED 1 week followed by
100mg ED 2 weeks
50mg ED 1 week

My questions are:

Do i really need HCG throughout the cycle or can i do well without it for a first cycle without sacrificing gains?

Is the arimidex enough to keep bloat down? if not what would you suggest?

Please advise me on any changes you would make.

Thank you very much for any responses in advance.
post edited by Khezus - 2007/06/09 15:10:47
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    RE: First planned cycle 2007/06/09 15:11:48 (permalink)
    overkill IMO

    TBH one compound or one jab and one oral will be fine

    the notion of multi compound cycles should be saved for future cycles to see where you are gaining from as it were

    the DECA dose is low

    i would simply run test alone and MAYBE add dbol somewhere

    using HCG? TBH not required every week and certainly not on a more conservative cycle

    just my 2p
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    RE: First planned cycle 2007/06/09 15:16:13 (permalink)
    any suggestions?
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    RE: First planned cycle 2007/06/09 15:19:41 (permalink)
    weeks 1-10 250/500mg of test E or sust
    pct weeks 12-14 if using enanthate, 13-15 if using sust
    HCG only if nuts have gone on holiday

    next cycle

    dbol kick start or DECA at weeks 1-10 @ 400mg EW (same test dose)

    keep it simple

    plenty of time to get technical
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    RE: First planned cycle 2007/06/10 12:54:21 (permalink)
    Ok.

    What about this

    Test Enan 500mg PW 1-12
    Dbol 30mg ED 1-4
    Adex start with .5mg EOD and adjust if needed

    PCT week 14: 150mg Clomid+ 40mg Nolva ED
    PCT week 15: 100mg Clomid+ 20mg Nolva ED
    PCT week 16: 50mg Clomid+ 10mg Nolva ED

    If this is good. Will i need HCG? How should i take it for this specific cycle if i need it?
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    RE: First planned cycle 2007/06/10 12:56:54 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Khezus

    Ok.

    What about this

    Test Enan 500mg PW 1-12
    Dbol 30mg ED 1-4
    Adex start with .5mg EOD and adjust if needed

    PCT week 14: 150mg Clomid+ 40mg Nolva ED
    PCT week 15: 100mg Clomid+ 20mg Nolva ED
    PCT week 16: 50mg Clomid+ 10mg Nolva ED

    If this is good. Will i need HCG? How should i take it for this specific cycle if i need it?

    Drop the dbol IMO...

    Save it for future cycles
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    RE: First planned cycle 2007/06/10 13:05:30 (permalink)
    Any reasons as to why DBOL for a later cycle??

    will hcg noticably benefit this cycle?

    this is interesting. im getting very different feedback from other boards. One board even suggested the first cycle i mention is quite good for a beginner.
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    RE: First planned cycle 2007/06/10 13:06:45 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Khezus

    Any reasons as to why DBOL for a later cycle??

    will hcg noticably benefit this cycle?

    this is interesting. im getting very different feedback from other boards. One board even suggested the first cycle i mention is quite good for a beginner.


    Simple really IMO -

    If you use more than one

    med - and react badly...

    Which one caused it??
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    RE: First planned cycle 2007/06/10 13:11:46 (permalink)
    somebody just informed me hcg will not make much of a difference for a beginner cycle like this. What dyu think??
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    RE: First planned cycle 2007/06/10 13:27:25 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Khezus

    somebody just informed me hcg will not make much of a difference for a beginner cycle like this. What dyu think??


    The use of hCG is dependant upon the amount of testicular atrophy that occurs - you may well experience this on the proposed cycle above, then again you may not. Monitor the situation (without getting obsessive!) and use hCG if appropriate.
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