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2019/03/26 23:35:10 (permalink)
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First test cycle injection issues

Firstly let me say hi to all, it's a pleasure to be here.  Next let me apologise for storming in hot with a first steroid cycle panic thread - I'm guessing you get a few of these around here...
 
I started my first test e cycle on Friday, 500mg/wk.  I've never injected before but didn't like the idea of putting too much strain on my liver so decided to skip the orals.  I picked up test e 300 and set up 1.6ml in a blue needle, my missus and myself watched the tutorials (she did the injection), followed the instructions with swabbing, aspirating etc, all looked well (glute injection, I should have mentioned earlier) and everything finished with no issues and no pain.
 
Next day my butt cheek was pretty sore but nothing outside of what I would expect to be normal, same the next day.  This morning (day 4) the pain in my butt cheek was wearing off but seemed to have spread to my lower back, i didn't think much of it.  I was just getting changed and my other half noticed that there's some discolouration and swelling in my lower back.  It's not huge, kind of like a reddened V shape, but it's as sore as my butt cheek was the morning after the initial injection and puffed up a bit.
 
Question - could it be an abscess?  Can abscesses move around like that?  I have a course of penicillin in the medicine cabinet left over from an illness that turned out to be something else, is it worth taking these as a precautionary measure and would you expect those to clear up an abscess in what would probably be an early phase judging by the size of the swelling?
 
Or am I just being a huge pussy who needs to shut the hell up and start making the most of the first cycle good times???
 
Oh - I should mention, in the excitement she slammed the lot into me in about 5 seconds rather than the minute or so that I've seen some people talking about, don't know if that would make any difference?
 
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    Re: First test cycle injection issues 2019/04/12 11:26:37 (permalink)
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    In case anyone's interested or it's of future use to anyone else I thought I'd give an update on my progress so far.
     
    I'm just about to do my fourth weekly shot so I've finished 3 weeks on 500 test e.  As per above I had some issues with a painful swelling at the bottom of my back on the first 2 shots so I thought I'd go with a longer pin, managed to track down some 1.5"s.  This seems to have done the job, I didn't have the same swelling or at least anything like as much of it this time round, so I'll be using the same pin tonight when I do my fourth shot.
     
    As for my experience so far I can't say I've noticed a great deal - I put on about 7-8 lbs in the first week so that must be water retention, I put myself on some body analyser scales (not that I rate them too highly but in lieu of anything else) and sure enough they recorded a 4% body composition increase in water.  Since then a couple of lbs each week but I am noticing a bit of gut fat forming so I'm not convinced it's exactly where I wanted it to be going.  I'm holding out for the week 4 explosion.....
     
    I woke up the last couple of days with itchy and slightly puffy nips, so now I'm thinking about starting on the nolva (20mg per day?).  At the same time I've been obsessing about gyno so my nips were already having far more interference than a nip should have to bear so I'm not 100% it's gyno but I'm not taking any chances.
     
    Pretty gutted about this to be honest, I was hoping to have them all saved for PCT but needs must.  How this will affect my PCT I don't yet know but I've got plenty of time to read up and adjust my plans for over the next few weeks.
     
    I had my bloods done yesterday so will have some more news on that on perhaps monday.  I'll probably post them up here for posterity, can't do any harm.
     
     
     
     
      
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    Re: First test cycle injection issues 2019/04/12 12:03:30 (permalink)
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    If you're afraid of gyno its a better idea to use an AI I believe. Correct me if i'm wrong.
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    Re: First test cycle injection issues 2019/04/12 12:38:33 (permalink)
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    Usually for access it's flucloxacillin that works
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    Re: First test cycle injection issues 2019/04/12 13:45:57 (permalink)
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    "How this will affect my PCT I don't yet know but I've got plenty of time to read up and adjust my plans for over the next few weeks."
     
    Experiencing gyno during a cycle will not affect your PCT, Just buy sufficient Tamoxifen .
     
    Also try not to keep checking your nipples as this will simply make them more sore; are you sure you have gyno,  or have you just been bothering your nipples too much ? 
    Do you have PCT planned out  ? 

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    Re: First test cycle injection issues 2019/04/13 23:54:13 (permalink)
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    Dumbat 
    Experiencing gyno during a cycle will not affect your PCT, Just buy sufficient Tamoxifen .
     
    Also try not to keep checking your nipples as this will simply make them more sore; are you sure you have gyno,  or have you just been bothering your nipples too much ? 
    Do you have PCT planned out  ? 




    There's a chance it's just me bothering them too much, yeah 
     
    I'm going to leave them completely alone and give it 48 hours until my bloods are available and make a decision from there depending on how they feel then and what the results are saying.
     
    Regarding PCT I was going to leave two weeks from the last test e shot then frontload and taper nolva and clomid
    over 4 weeks. I picked up a standard Nolva/Clomid PCT cycle from elsewhere on here:
     
    Day 1 60mg/150mg
    Day 2 - 11 40mg/100mg
    Day 12 - 21 20mg/50mg
     
    So I don't need to adjust this if I start on 20mg ED nolva now for gyno concerns?
     
    I'd skipped HCG altogether (not so bothered about the size of my nuts from an aesthetic point of view or fertility), is this a mistake?
     
     
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    Re: First test cycle injection issues 2019/04/13 23:56:29 (permalink)
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    If you're afraid of gyno its a better idea to use an AI I believe. Correct me if i'm wrong.



    I've read this too, I was just really hoping to avoid AI's though, I'm probably not as young as some folk around here and the idea of accidentally bottoming out my estrogen completely and suffering with joint pain doesn't appeal in the slightest.
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    Re: First test cycle injection issues 2019/04/15 08:30:49 (permalink)
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    Ok, got my bloods in, with an expected lecture from the medichecks Doc.
     
    Creatinine is too high (115 umol/L).  I'm not taking creatine so this was a surprise but looking into it a high protein diet and heavy exercise can both cause this so I'm not going to give this any more thought.
     
    Cholesterol not perfect. LDL too high (3.13 mmol/L), HDL too low (1.06 mmol/L).  I'll give this some attention when I finish my cycle, hopefully it should drop back down on it's own?
     
    Now for the good stuff....
    Testosterone 47.9 nmol/L
    Oestradiol 251 pmol/L
     
    From experience, how does this look to others, on a first test-e cycle, 500mg weekly, after 3 full weeks?
     
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    Re: First test cycle injection issues 2019/04/16 00:41:04 (permalink)
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    Damn, looking around online it looks like I should have had my free testosterone tested too.
     
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    Re: First test cycle injection issues 2019/04/19 00:08:54 (permalink)
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    I'm STILL umming and ahhing over the nolva.  I can't decide if it's gyno or not, it's kind of gristly under the nips but has it always been that way??
     
    Is nolva a near guarantee of a crapped out libido?  
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    Re: First test cycle injection issues 2019/04/19 03:09:55 (permalink)
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    I'm STILL umming and ahhing over the nolva.  I can't decide if it's gyno or not, it's kind of gristly under the nips but has it always been that way??
     
    Is nolva a near guarantee of a crapped out libido?  


    No Nolva is a Serm and not an AI it’s job is to stop Oestrogen binding at Oestrogen receptor sites, it does not reduce the amount of Oestrogen, that’s why it should be the first port of call when it comes to Oestrogen management as it doesn’t hamper gains or effect lipids like AI’s do plus no rebound post usage 👍

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    Re: First test cycle injection issues 2019/04/20 00:35:24 (permalink)
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    No Nolva is a Serm and not an AI it’s job is to stop Oestrogen binding at Oestrogen receptor sites, it does not reduce the amount of Oestrogen, that’s why it should be the first port of call when it comes to Oestrogen management as it doesn’t hamper gains or effect lipids like AI’s do plus no rebound post usage 👍



    Perfect.  One last question, I'm seeing conflicting opinion on liver toxicity.  One of my liver readings came back slightly elevated on my bloods so I'm keen not to sh*t all over it if I don't have to.  My understanding is liver issues are only for women taking it for literally years?
     
    Erm....  one last, last question..... looks like when I've been pinning it some of it has been ending up subQ rather than IM, is that lost testosterone or is that ending up in my system in the end anyway?
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    Re: First test cycle injection issues 2019/04/20 05:39:26 (permalink)
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    If it's just Test you are using then it's very unlikely to be that elevating liver readings, many things can lead to slightly elevated readings diet, other meds, alcohol and even smoking in some respects.
     
    SubQ is fine, people on TRT can SubQ their Test 👍 but out of interest how is it getting there? what size pin are you using?.

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    Re: First test cycle injection issues 2019/04/20 10:37:55 (permalink)
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    If it's just Test you are using then it's very unlikely to be that elevating liver readings, many things can lead to slightly elevated readings diet, other meds, alcohol and even smoking in some respects.
     
    SubQ is fine, people on TRT can SubQ their Test 👍 but out of interest how is it getting there? what size pin are you using?.




    It's a good question. I'm thinking maybe I have a fat arse?? I used a 1 1/4 inch at first but then managed to find some 1 1/2 which is as long as I could get. I think that's improved it but it's not perfect. It's like it pools at the bottom of my back and causes swelling, bit weird. Goes down after about 4-5 days. I did read about something called z-tracking that I might give a go next time.
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