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2017/02/09 17:58:17 (permalink)

First test cycle - thoughts

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Looking to start my first test e cycle in the not too distant future. Done a few oral only cycles before (dbol about 10 years ago, and then in the last couple of years anavar only and winny only).

I'm 37, 16 stone, been training for about 20 years.

Anyway - as a base I'm looking to do 500 (maybe 600) mg test e per week, and run for either 12 or 16 weeks. I will only be pinning once per week, and from my research it seems this is an acceptable approach for test e at this dose.

My goal is for some decent lean gains, wanting to keep bloat to a minimum. For this reason I'm not thinking a dbol kickstart is the way to go.

But how about an Anavar kickstart - say a moderate dose of around 60mg per day, for the first 4 weeks?

Another option is that instead of doing it as a kickstart, I do the anavar at the end - many people say doing an oral at the end works really well. I could start at the last 2 weeks of the test, meaning that I continue to run it for the 2 weeks after your last jab whilst you're waiting for the test to clear before starting PCT?

A third option would be to do the Anavar in the first 4 weeks AND the last 4 weeks to get both the benefit of the kickstart and the benefit of doing an oral at the end. With the oral being the milder Anavar, it would be good to get people's views on whether this be acceptable or not.

Many thanks!
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Re: First test cycle - thoughts 2017/02/09 18:26:45 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby simonboyle 2017/02/17 18:12:32
No need, just Test @ 500mg ew for 12 weeks, once a week pinning of Test E is fine btw.
As you said wait 2weeks before you commence your PCT.

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Re: First test cycle - thoughts 2017/02/09 18:41:35 (permalink)
Okay well that makes things very simple :)

Thanks for your advice, much appreciated!
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Re: First test cycle - thoughts 2017/02/12 14:14:30 (permalink)
if you dont have any problems with, E2 ( gyno, fat ass ), DHT ( oily skin, ****ty hair or acne ) prolactin ( also gyno but not lumbs but titties ) only Test would be a good option, just make a proper PCT, take hcg thru cycle ( but if you want to cry after cycle that you have problems with erection, small balls or ultra low test level then dont take it :) )
 
start cycle from susta it contains short test esters, than switch to enth, and for var, its a good option becuse if will give you a smal kick at the end, give you better quality muscles, get out more fat out from your body and you will keep more gains, and you can take it also in this 2weeks when you wont jab test and you will be waiting for PCT
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Re: First test cycle - thoughts 2017/02/16 18:08:39 (permalink)
Okay so now I'm looking further into my cycle i'm looking at the protection side of things.
 
I will be getting sufficient Nolva for PCT, and will be getting additional supply to cover me during the cycle if I start with gyno symptoms, which I believe to be itchy and/or sore nips.
 
The whole gyno thing does worry me though, and I'm also concerned with trying to avoid water retention (I feel I suffer from this to some extent normally day-to-day if I don't eat clean).  With this in mind, what are people's thoughts on whether I should do Aromasin throughout the cycle?  So so many conflicting posts about this when I look into it.  I'd rather be safe than sorry, but I understand that too much AI can be bad too, so need to get the balance right.  So maybe a small regular dose from day 1 and increase if necessary?
 
To summarise where I'm at....
 
- Only looking to pin once per week, so it'll be a single dose of 500-600 test e per week (depending on what concentration I get for the 2ml dose)
- Will go for either 12 or 16 weeks - much depends on whether I feel I'm still gaining (and how I feel) as I approach the 12 week mark
- Will get some anavar in as a 'possible' for the end of the cycle - BUT - will make a judgement call closer to the time on whether to do it or not (I lean towards the sensible side of things so just because I have it in does not mean I will use it).
 
Thoughts very much appreciated from you very knowledgeable lot!
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Re: First test cycle - thoughts 2017/02/17 12:36:59 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby wj209980 2017/02/17 17:23:42
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start cycle from susta it contains short test esters, than switch to enth



 
I don't agree with this. The esters of sust are designed to provide a steady stream of hormone over time, much like enan or cyp in reality. The short ester dose is relatively small otherwise there would be a spike, then slow crash.
 
If for arguments sake I agree that by virtue of the prop & phenyl prop esters, you will yield the benefits faster, then conversely, when switching to enan, you would be delivering less drug initially, as the short esters are lost, and replaced by longer esters. So what you might gain on the swings, you lose on the roundabouts
 
Switching is bro-science at its very best lol.
 
Bottom line, choose your weapon, be that enan, cyp or sust, & run it throughout
 

 
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Re: First test cycle - thoughts 2017/02/17 12:42:24 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby wj209980 2017/02/17 17:23:52
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The whole gyno thing does worry me though, and I'm also concerned with trying to avoid water retention (I feel I suffer from this to some extent normally day-to-day if I don't eat clean).  With this in mind, what are people's thoughts on whether I should do Aromasin throughout the cycle?  So so many conflicting posts about this when I look into it.  I'd rather be safe than sorry, but I understand that too much AI can be bad too, so need to get the balance right.  So maybe a small regular dose from day 1 and increase if necessary?

 
If you're struugling with excess water from 500mg pw, then your diet is shot.
 
By all means have it on hand, though I doubt you'll need it.
 
Estrogen is not an enemy, rather excess estrogen for that particular person may be problematic.
 
 

To summarise where I'm at....
 
- Only looking to pin once per week, so it'll be a single dose of 500-600 test e per week (depending on what concentration I get for the 2ml dose)
- Will go for either 12 or 16 weeks - much depends on whether I feel I'm still gaining (and how I feel) as I approach the 12 week mark
- Will get some anavar in as a 'possible' for the end of the cycle - BUT - will make a judgement call closer to the time on whether to do it or not (I lean towards the sensible side of things so just because I have it in does not mean I will use it).
 

Sounds reasonable

 
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Re: First test cycle - thoughts 2017/02/17 17:14:53 (permalink)
Thanks very much - really great advice.  I may get some Aromasin in then just to have in hand, but will only use if bloating etc becomes sufficient to warrant it. 
 
A couple more questions:
 
- If I did need to start taking Aromasin during cycle (hopefully not!) do you just take it until symptoms subside or do you run it until the end of the cycle?
 
- As for pinning the test (which will be a 2ml shot each time) - what gauge pin is recommended? 25, 23, 21?  I imagine 25 is the least painful (being thinnest) but not sure of what is most suitable for test e.
 
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post edited by wj209980 - 2017/02/17 17:16:58
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Re: First test cycle - thoughts 2017/02/17 18:00:56 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby wj209980 2017/02/18 09:51:24
Yes you could run it to the end if warranted but I highly doubt you'll need it. Ensure good nutrition, controlled sodium intake, plenty of fluids daily.
 
Only use if the bloat is excessive. You should accept some. This is normal. You'll piss it away post cycle anyway.
 
The guage is dependant on where you shoot, not what you shoot.
 
Arse - 23g 1.5"
Quad 23g 1.25" - 1.5"
Delt 23g-24g 1"
Bi & tri 25g 5/8"
 
 Volume of oil is a factor too for location. People have their own tolerances but imo:
 
Arse - 4ml
Quad - 4ml
Delt - 3ml
Bi/Tri 2ml
 
 
 
post edited by PartyBoy - 2017/02/17 18:03:16

 
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Re: First test cycle - thoughts 2017/02/17 18:14:33 (permalink)
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Thanks very much - really great advice.  I may get some Aromasin in then just to have in hand, but will only use if bloating etc becomes sufficient to warrant it. 
 
A couple more questions:
 
- If I did need to start taking Aromasin during cycle (hopefully not!) do you just take it until symptoms subside or do you run it until the end of the cycle?
 
- As for pinning the test (which will be a 2ml shot each time) - what gauge pin is recommended? 25, 23, 21?  I imagine 25 is the least painful (being thinnest) but not sure of what is most suitable for test e.
 
Love this forum BTW :-)

I would use 1 inch purples. 24g I believe.
Thinner the better within reason.
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Re: First test cycle - thoughts 2017/02/17 19:09:02 (permalink)
Love you guys - thank you very much - order going in very soon :) :)
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Re: First test cycle - thoughts 2017/02/17 21:00:02 (permalink)
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Yes you could run it to the end if warranted but I highly doubt you'll need it. Ensure good nutrition, controlled sodium intake, plenty of fluids daily.
 
Only use if the bloat is excessive. You should accept some. This is normal. You'll piss it away post cycle anyway.
 
The guage is dependant on where you shoot, not what you shoot.
 
Arse - 23g 1.5"
Quad 23g 1.25" - 1.5"
Delt 23g-24g 1"
Bi & tri 25g 5/8"
 
 Volume of oil is a factor too for location. People have their own tolerances but imo:
 
Arse - 4ml
Quad - 4ml
Delt - 3ml
Bi/Tri 2ml
 
 
 


So you like pain? 
 
Never poked myself with anything thicker than 25G and that's for 2ml shots in delts. Also would much rather split larger volumes into several injections than 4ml in one spot. Most of the time I do 1ml shots into quads with a 30G.
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Re: First test cycle - thoughts 2017/02/18 09:44:20 (permalink)
How do you gauge pain level when you never use 23?
 
Fact is, pain level is miniscule on all of those. 21s might get a bit nippy.
 
The problem is that longer pins are not widely available in very narrow gauges, & most commercial pharma products on the medical market tend to advise deep intramuscular. Indeed, nebido for the trt market suggests 22g, even though the oil will pass through a 24 perfectly fine

 
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Re: First test cycle - thoughts 2017/02/18 12:28:27 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby simonboyle 2017/02/21 00:24:58
Well a 25 certainly feels a lot different from a 28 to me, so much so that I've given up using them on quads, always seem to hit a nerve and hurt like hell. You can't even feel a 30G though so I'll use them all day.
 
As long as it's in the muscle I don't see any advantage on going deeper. In fact a lot of pharmaceutical products probably just recommend this to prevent accidental subq injections (keeping in mind that these are aimed at the general public and glute injections are the norm, so there's usually a thick layer of fat to get through).
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Re: First test cycle - thoughts 2017/02/19 13:48:04 (permalink)
Perhaps consider 1 shot a week to start as you get to week 5 up the dose a little bit and brake that into 2 shots per a week.
a T400 Blend 1 ml a week then split into 1.5ml a week  total in two shots. keep the body guessing babe. delts or quads 25 gauge 1 inch or glute 23g 1.5 inch draw with a 1.5 19g needle.
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