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2007/06/11 13:05:23 (permalink)

Flavoured Milk for PWO?

I saw some flavoured milk the other day and it was about 3g of protein per 100ml. It also had carbs.

Would this be suitable for PWO, as its liquid would it be fast ingesting like whey or is it a different type of protein?

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    RE: Flavoured Milk for PWO? 2007/06/11 13:09:59 (permalink)
    not as good as whey and dextrose.
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    RE: Flavoured Milk for PWO? 2007/06/11 13:14:56 (permalink)
    Fair enough.
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    RE: Flavoured Milk for PWO? 2007/06/11 13:21:48 (permalink)
    Milk on its own or with whey Joe? ? ?
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    RE: Flavoured Milk for PWO? 2007/06/11 13:22:54 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: OoOGazOoO

    Milk on its own or with whey Joe? ? ?
    Just on its own.

    It seems to have a fair bit of protein so therefore might be an easy way to consume 30g of protein?
    post edited by [Joe] - 2007/06/11 13:23:37
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    RE: Flavoured Milk for PWO? 2007/06/11 13:34:49 (permalink)
    More than 30ml is recomended PWO.

    All milk has around 3g per 100ml. You'd need a litre for just 30g! Milk protein is casein. This is the slowest absorbing protein available as opposed to the fastest which is whey. I saw a study recently comparing just pure casein vs whey and the results were massively different in gains. In short, this isn't a good idea PWO. Plus the fat would slow down digestion further (1L = 20g fat in semi skimmed).
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    RE: Flavoured Milk for PWO? 2007/06/11 13:36:59 (permalink)
    Ah its not looking too good.

    I'll stick to whey and leave the milk alone.

    Thanks for you help.
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    RE: Flavoured Milk for PWO? 2007/06/11 13:37:00 (permalink)
    I think milk isn't any good PWO because it releases an insulin as a sugar response, which means once your body is packed with nutrients won't have insulin to begin rebuilding muscles.. very dumb terms, and not sure so dont quote me!

    . I and most use Whey conc 50g an 50g wholemeal carbs. (No fructose) You will need to ask TT about milk thing, too long ago for me to remember properly sorry

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    RE: Flavoured Milk for PWO? 2007/06/11 13:41:32 (permalink)
    No Joe, just have whey in water PWO.
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    RE: Flavoured Milk for PWO? 2007/06/11 13:43:01 (permalink)
    ditto
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    RE: Flavoured Milk for PWO? 2007/06/25 22:17:08 (permalink)
    I've ran out of whey but the milk doesnt sound too good so will just have my PPWO meal for PWO.

    Could a pint of skimmed milk be used to replace a meal in the day time, assuming diet was sorted for the day?
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    RE: Flavoured Milk for PWO? 2007/06/25 22:21:41 (permalink)
    use cooked egg whites for PWO
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    RE: Flavoured Milk for PWO? 2007/06/25 22:34:07 (permalink)
    its fine

    just not fashionable in the UK gym circles
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    RE: Flavoured Milk for PWO? 2007/06/25 22:35:12 (permalink)
    who cares about fashion these days in the gym, i care about results . If i cared about fashin i think i wouldve joined the bicep brigade and the peeps who do endless crunches and never pick up a free weight lol
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    RE: Flavoured Milk for PWO? 2007/06/27 17:11:21 (permalink)
    According to my calculations, a pint of skimmed milk is:

    18g pro, 28g carbs, 840kcal

    Thats a lot of calories. If someone was on a bulk that would be an easy to bump up their intake.

    But is it that simple? Would calories from milk have a place in a clean bulking diet?
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    RE: Flavoured Milk for PWO? 2007/06/27 17:19:40 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: [Joe]

    According to my calculations, a pint of skimmed milk is:

    18g pro, 28g carbs, 840kcal

    Thats a lot of calories. If someone was on a bulk that would be an easy to bump up their intake.

    But is it that simple? Would calories from milk have a place in a clean bulking diet?



    your calcuations must be wrong.

    A pint of skimmed milk (568) would be around 300 kcal
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    RE: Flavoured Milk for PWO? 2007/06/27 18:00:33 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: [Joe]

    According to my calculations, a pint of skimmed milk is:

    18g pro, 28g carbs, 840kcal

    Thats a lot of calories. If someone was on a bulk that would be an easy to bump up their intake.

    But is it that simple? Would calories from milk have a place in a clean bulking diet?
    Yes, people often add milk into their diets. It doesn't agree with everyone in large quantities though, myself included.

    The unnatural amount of hormones from an animal's fluid that we were never meant to drink are also enough to put me off.
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    RE: Flavoured Milk for PWO? 2007/06/27 21:50:41 (permalink)
    Bloomin heck!
    Groove - why were we never meant to drink it then ?
    Cows have been kept for a while specifically to milk - and well you know we have been drinking milk for a long while too - and it contains a lot of very useful bits and pieces.
    please dont say cos babies cant have it as proof - as that is down to a number of developmental factors more than anything else.

    Zen: I wont quote you - as you are mixing up a little there. An insulin spike pwo is exactly what we want for replenishment - the problem is that casein is a slow digesting protein which is not what we want

    iopener - cooked egg whites - okay - lets get the skinny on how on earth you worked out that was a good idea please - especially given the alternatives. Given they dont spike insulin, and digestion isnt that quick compared to what else is available, and the protein is not spared by cho being present?

    Now to the original question.
    Its not the best thing you can do - but plenty of good physiques were built on chugging down milk after workouts - and usually full fat - however we have alternatives depending on what you want to spend
    my ideal is whey isolate 90%+ with vitargo
    my own favourite is whey concentrate 75% with glucose

    Horses for courses on the post workout nutrition front!

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    RE: Flavoured Milk for PWO? 2007/06/27 22:16:42 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Big Les

    Bloomin heck!
    Groove - why were we never meant to drink it then ?
    Cows have been kept for a while specifically to milk - and well you know we have been drinking milk for a long while too - and it contains a lot of very useful bits and pieces.
    please dont say cos babies cant have it as proof - as that is down to a number of developmental factors more than anything else.
    Fair point - what isn't natural isn't necessarily bad.

    My point is, that our digestive system has not evolved as our diet has over the past few thousand or even hundred years.

    Some people can drink gallons of milk and have no ill effects, but because we do not have an evolutionary history of drinking other mammals' milk, some of us really don't get on with it. Pro-biotic aspects of unpasteurised milk = great. But there are also a bunch of hormones and enzymes that can conflict with human physiology. Especially as most milk is factory farmed and as a result, cows are pumped full of excess oestrogen hormones to keep them producing. My advice is that if you're drinking a pint of milk a day, as cheap as it is you should at least bump up the price by the extra 50% to buy organic.

    RE milk PWO, as casein is the protein in milk and also because it contains fat which can slow things, I have this:

    http://evidencebasedfitness.blogspot.com/2007/03/whey-vs-casein-who-will-win.html

    and this: http://www.musclearticles.com/archives/272

    Not exactly hardcore, but I believe the difference to be significant enough to make the conclusion that whey is superior PWO.
    post edited by groovemeister - 2007/06/27 22:24:38
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    RE: Flavoured Milk for PWO? 2007/06/27 23:53:36 (permalink)
    er okay - funny I thought we had been drinking mammal milk since we domesticate milk producing animals - my bad

    and I wouldnt be recommending raw milk myself - but of a hazard that one - hence the needing of a licence to sell it - risky from the contamination point of view !

    Some people would put things like lactose intolerance down to other factors - especially as incidence is increasing but milk consumption in the west hasnt really, to my memory its actually gone down, and I know it hasnt risen as sharply as intolerance - which suggest the causation lies outside the dairy product itself.

    However thats a different point altogether - and a different debate entirely.
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