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2004/03/18 15:19:26 (permalink)
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Front/overhead/hack

When i go home over easter I will only have my olympic set to train with, no bench or power rack yet (im building my set a piece at a time ) so i figure i wont be able to do much back squatting but could attempt some front squatting, or over head squats, or maybe hack squats?
If im trying to bring my weight up in deads/squats/bench, which would be more beneficial?
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    Dildo69
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    RE: Front/overhead/hack 2004/03/18 15:26:33 (permalink)
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    Ummm i voted none coz im not sure and dont wanna advise badly.

    But i love OH squats and would recommend them to anyone for anything:-)

    But i guess it depends on ur level, where ur at in each of the exercises and how many weeks u got.

    e.g a newbie wont get much return when he starts doing oh squats, but once he gets his form and flexability down and starts adding weight he should see a good improvement in his squat.
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    TheMasterPlan
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    RE: Front/overhead/hack 2004/03/18 15:31:18 (permalink)
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    Ive never tried overhead or front squats, though i keep meaning to try overhead ones. Tried hack squats ages ago, had trouble getting the form right.
    Im tempted to use the time to just 'play' with overhead squats, to see if i can do them, just using the bar and then maybe incorperate them into a routine later, but i thought id ask.
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    Dildo69
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    RE: Front/overhead/hack 2004/03/18 15:43:57 (permalink)
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    Sounds like a good idea, dont be put off if ur hopeless at first u will progress very quickly, but since you have never done oh squats before u wont be useing much weight and could still do front squats without fear of overtraining.
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    RE: Front/overhead/hack 2004/03/18 15:48:42 (permalink)
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    i picked hack because with no power rack you'll be limited to what you can clean if you do front squats and limited to what you can snatch if you do overhead also with no power rack theres no danger of squashing yourself with hacks, have fun whatever you pick
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    RE: Front/overhead/hack 2004/03/18 15:56:23 (permalink)
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    personally i would say that hack squats are a great special exercise for deadlifts- really hit the quads. if you squat narrow, they will also help ur squat. if you squat wide, i think that wide sumo deadlifts will help increase the strength of ur posterior chain.
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    RE: Front/overhead/hack 2004/03/18 21:53:22 (permalink)
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    i was gonna say for safety use the hack squat and a romanian dead for the hams and glutes
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    RE: Front/overhead/hack 2004/03/18 22:20:02 (permalink)
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    i would go for front squats but only because i have had no experience with the others j5 doing all 3 bit crazy but it may work you know your body best of all
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    TheMasterPlan
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    RE: Front/overhead/hack 2004/03/19 10:39:12 (permalink)
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    quote:
    Originally posted by JohnnyFive

    Do all three on one day. On another day do deadlifts and light good mornings really deep, you'll be limited there by how much weight you can push press and then bring down behind your neck. Then do floor presses (you will need someone here to pick the bar up and hand it off to you), if you can't find someone to hand it off do weighted pushups, and military press.

    1:
    OH Squat
    Front Squat
    Hack squat

    2:
    Floor press
    Military press
    weighted situps

    3:
    Deadlift
    Good mornings
    farmers walk/grip





    on the whole that looks good fun, but does anyone have a video of good mornings being done with perfect form, as ive not done them before and dont see anyone (whose form i trust!) doing them at my gym.
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    RE: Front/overhead/hack 2004/03/20 11:42:07 (permalink)
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    perfect from I'll leave to others to decide, but this is the clearest vid i've seen...

    http://www.bsu.edu/webapps/strengthlab/images/rbgm.mpg
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    RE: Front/overhead/hack 2004/03/23 11:50:15 (permalink)
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    Thanks Goldenarrow! [pansy sounds] i hate to sound like a pansy, but i still feel they look so dam risky. Ive often mentioned my fear of SLDLs, due to causing my current back problems with them, and i can easily see problems happening with good mornings, if form is not 100% spot on [/pansy sounds]

    Could others comment on the guys form in that video? is it necessary to go so low? I swear ive seen guys in my gym doing good mornings with stiff legs, is the guy in the video right to bend? (im assuming he is)
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    RE: Front/overhead/hack 2004/03/23 12:38:33 (permalink)
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    I would say he is going a bit low, thats just me though.
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    RE: Front/overhead/hack 2004/03/23 13:01:52 (permalink)
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    But is he is right to bend his legs and move his hips back? thanks for the swift responses.
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    RE: Front/overhead/hack 2004/03/23 17:58:29 (permalink)
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    voted other.
    use a couple of stools or chairs to lift the bar off and back squat.
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    RE: Front/overhead/hack 2004/03/24 07:01:43 (permalink)
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    quote:
    Originally posted by JohnOvManchester

    voted other.
    use a couple of stools or chairs to lift the bar off and back squat.




    That's got me thinking - I know a guy who used to do bottom position squats using these stand things he got off a builder's site - does anybody know the name of them?
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    RE: Front/overhead/hack 2004/03/24 09:11:40 (permalink)
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    trestles. I suppose most builders stores would stock them.
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    RE: Front/overhead/hack 2004/05/29 19:40:41 (permalink)
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    DONT WANT TO GIVE BAD AD VICE BUT LOVE SQUATS NO MATTER WHAT TYPE
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    RE: Front/overhead/hack 2004/05/30 03:02:43 (permalink)
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    quote:
    Originally posted by bigmac

    i was gonna say for safety use the hack squat and a romanian dead for the hams and glutes


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    RE: Front/overhead/hack 2004/05/30 09:35:37 (permalink)
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    Mintaka I dont think you should be squatting at all - It is your weakest lift and an improvement would prevent me from overtaking you on the UKM powerlifting table - And I was catching up nicely :(
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