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2015/01/12 14:05:17 (permalink)
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GHRP/GHRH PEPTIDES VS HGH VS IGF only cycle

I have been cycling for many many year, more for athletic performance than body building. im 37 now recently finished PCT from a 12 week cycle. i want some time off ASS to make sure my natural test can return back to normal will be dong another blood test soon to check my test levels. for my next PED cycle i want to stay away from AAS for a while as will want kids soon and being cyling for many years worries me a bit. so i am researching a cycle of either GHRP/GHRH PEPTIDES, HGH, or IGF only cycle. the HGH would be 4iu a day, still doing my research on the other compounds and dosing.
 
would be interested in any feedback from people who have run these. I want to minimize side effects: growth gut, tiredness and water retention. 
 
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    Re: GHRP/GHRH PEPTIDES VS HGH VS IGF only cycle 2015/01/13 13:04:15 (permalink)
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    I would go for the Peptides, I have been using GHRP-2 and ModGRF(1-29) for two years now.
    I have seen all the expected benefits , Improved skin, reduction of wrinkles, improved quality of muscle tissue.
    Recovery from training sessions, better sleep pattern, fat loss etc.
    Using peptides avoids the risk of "growth gut" and the skin thickening that can result from HGH use.
    They work particularly well in combination with steroids that are Androgenic.
    They will also increase local and systemic endogenous IGF.
     
    Genuine IGF is very hard to source and extremely expensive (£1000`s), most of what you see being sold is not genuine. I believe that a lot of the hype that surrounds it is due to the insulin like effects it has, you may as well just use insulin. 
    The best site for information on Peptides is Datbtrue.co.uk (requires membership) 
    Pscarb on UKMuscle.co.uk has also written extensive guides on the Peptides.

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    Re: GHRP/GHRH PEPTIDES VS HGH VS IGF only cycle 2015/01/14 12:38:03 (permalink)
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    Hi Dumbat,
     
    thats great info, thanks.
     
    GHRP-2 and ModGRF(1-29) does actually interest me quite a bit. what sort of protocols do you use for it? 
     
    so increase local and systemic endogenous IGF means you can do localized shots of lagging muscle groups?
     
    does it pose the same risk as HGH of increase the growth of cancer cells?
     
     
    thanks for you input
     
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    Re: GHRP/GHRH PEPTIDES VS HGH VS IGF only cycle 2015/01/14 13:16:52 (permalink)
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    No, site injections are not relevant as the Peptides stimulate the Pituitary gland to release growth hormones.
    Using a low frequency protocol like three times a day increases local IGF.
    Using a high frequency protocol 5 to 6 times a day will increase systemic IGF ; this mimics the action of Exogenous HGH which has a constant presence and action as opposed to the Pulsing that the lower frequency protocol does.
    The pulsing release mimics the natural action of the Pituitary gland and is therefore a more "natural" way of increasing growth hormone in one`s body. 
    The danger of "gut growth" from HGH is due to its continuous action. 
    To date I have yet to read any scientific studies showing that pulse pattern of HGH release will increase the risk of cancerous tumour growth. 
    Doses are typically a saturation dose of 1mcg per kg of bodyweight or more commonly 100 mcg of each peptide.
    My dosing protocol is three times a day, I do  A.M shot when I get up injected before breakfast; midday shot either pre W/O or post W/O depending my my goals then a P.M shot before bed. Pre workout will increase fat loss, post workout will aid in anabolism. 
    Doses should be at least 3 hours apart to allow the Pituitary gland time to "replenish" 
    It is really worth joining Datbtrue` site as he is the most knowledgeable person I know on these Peptides and he has written comprehensive and educational articles on their actions and uses.
    It is also a site with many knowledgeable and experienced body-builders and life enhancement enthusiasts.
    I have learnt so much from his site.    
    If you need a referral let me know  
    I am happy to help with any further questions you have please feel free to ask. 
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    Re: GHRP/GHRH PEPTIDES VS HGH VS IGF only cycle 2015/01/14 13:45:20 (permalink)
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    thanks again thats great info. i obviously want to research these compounds as much as possible before i undertake a cycle like with everything knowledge is power.
     
    i will join Datbtrue so its ok to use you as a reference?
     
    cheers
     
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    Re: GHRP/GHRH PEPTIDES VS HGH VS IGF only cycle 2015/01/14 13:48:08 (permalink)
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    Please do, I have the same user name on there 
     

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    Re: GHRP/GHRH PEPTIDES VS HGH VS IGF only cycle 2015/01/14 13:49:54 (permalink)
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    Yes, knowledge is power and the sharing of knowledge enhances this power.  

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    Re: GHRP/GHRH PEPTIDES VS HGH VS IGF only cycle 2015/01/14 14:08:40 (permalink)
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    great i just applied with same user name. chat soon mate and thanks for your time! 
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    Re: GHRP/GHRH PEPTIDES VS HGH VS IGF only cycle 2015/01/14 14:11:13 (permalink)
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    You`re welcome 
     

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    Re: GHRP/GHRH PEPTIDES VS HGH VS IGF only cycle 2015/01/16 12:00:54 (permalink)
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    Dumbat,
     
    so from what i have read so far on the other sites i like your protocol for my first cycle with peptides. Im going to get blood test to start to see where my test levels are if they low I will self administer a TRT protocol at the same time to test this cycle properly as dont want low test to mess with the gains (I fisihed PCT about 2 weeks ago will test end of month)
     
    so anyway can you help me with the maths:
     
    per day of each peptide = 3x100mcg = 300mcg
     
    for a 8 week cycle: 56 days X 300mcg = 16800 mcg
     
    so for GHRP-2 16800/5000 (5mg per bottle)= 3.36 bottles so purchase 4
     
    for ModGRF(1-29) 16800/2000 (2mg per bottle)= 8.4 bottles so purchase 9
     
    hope that's right! 
     
    thanks
     
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    Re: GHRP/GHRH PEPTIDES VS HGH VS IGF only cycle 2015/01/16 15:53:25 (permalink)
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    actually I have been reading more and it seems a ramp up of dosing is best to asses tolerance etc?
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    Re: GHRP/GHRH PEPTIDES VS HGH VS IGF only cycle 2015/01/17 11:19:00 (permalink)
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    Yes it is prudent to start low, say 40mcg to 50mcg of each just in case you get a reaction.
    I have yet to read any reliable reports of adverse reactions to high quality Peptides.
    The ratio is roughly 2 vials of GHRP to 5 vials of ModGRF. 
    If you read up  on Dat`s site you will find some members use different doses and ratios. 
    I mostly just inject 100mcg of each as its easier. 
    I would start with the P.M. dose only as this is the dose that gives the most benefit and coincides with the natural higher nocturnal release of Growth hormones.
    Then add the A.M. dose, if this makes you too lethargic for work etc. simply reduce dose and build up the dose slowly over several days.
    Then introduce the pre or post W/O dosing. Depending on your goals, as I detailed in my previous post. 
    You should find that you adjust to the dosing within a week or two. 
     

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    Re: GHRP/GHRH PEPTIDES VS HGH VS IGF only cycle 2015/02/04 10:46:56 (permalink)
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    so After reading up on the other forums and your advise  i have started GHRP-2 and ModGRF(1-29), i am slowly ramping up pre-bed dosing, i am now on GHRP-2 100mcg and 50mcg ModGRF(1-29), my test scores were low so ive also started self administered TFT. the sleep i am getting from the peptides is amazing, i wake up refreshed and have more energy its going really well so far! after a month of eating clean and my new training regime i am going to try the toggle approach as outlines on Dats board.
     
     
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    Re: GHRP/GHRH PEPTIDES VS HGH VS IGF only cycle 2015/02/04 15:02:10 (permalink)
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    Cool, yes some people stick with the P.M. dose for the sleep benefit alone.
    There is a good synergy between AAS and these peptides. As I am sure you have noticed lower doses of AAS are recommended on Dat`s site. 
     

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    Re: GHRP/GHRH PEPTIDES VS HGH VS IGF only cycle 2015/02/06 02:55:53 (permalink)
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    They are all great tools if used for the correct purpose and run correctly  
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    Re: GHRP/GHRH PEPTIDES VS HGH VS IGF only cycle 2018/04/17 07:00:53 (permalink)
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    Hey Dunb,at I know this is an old thread but I wanted to get in contact with you however my PM isn’t working,not too sure why, so could you PM me?
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    Re: GHRP/GHRH PEPTIDES VS HGH VS IGF only cycle 2018/04/24 19:44:35 (permalink)
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    I did a LHR-IGF cycle some 11 years ago with one ml of test a week that I was using as maintenance.  If I am entirely honest I saw very little gains if anything.  I was taking it post workout. 
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