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2019/04/13 18:01:53 (permalink)
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Gear and fasting

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I have a quick question, currently bulking on test, eq and Dbol, my question is, are there any implications of fasting on gear? Both injectables and oral. My theory is that if I fast then have a small amount of carbs 60 mins before training with 25mg of dbol whilst post training consuming my full calories I should be able to burn excess fat during my fast and get the benefits of all the macros and nutrients during my eating window whilst taking dbol I will also consume 25mg post workout too instead of splitting the dose in quarters throughout the day. The idea is the body is made to survive so as soon as the food comes in it wants to partition and repair the muscle, it has no concept of needing energy through an entire day in meals, personally I like being hungry plus the mental clarity fasting gives is a huge bonus for an office worker! Is this a plausible strategy/theory? If not please could you explain why?
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Re: Gear and fasting 2019/04/13 20:24:45 (permalink)
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The main implications will be reduced gains.
"currently bulking on test, eq and evil, "
You have stated that you are bulking; bulking isn`t associated with calorie restriction. 
What are your goals ? Gaining muscle or losing fat? 
If you simply want to lose fat then this can be accomplished without AAS. 
Timing your food intake will not make a lot of difference as when we run AAS we are continuously in a "growth window" , therefore it is best to have regular feeds. 
  What do you mean by "evil" ? 

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Re: Gear and fasting 2019/04/14 11:31:24 (permalink)
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Apologies Dumbat I wrote it in my phone and it auto corrected dbol to evil, hahaha! Right that makes sense, my goals are to lean bulk. I mostly enjoy the mental clarity that comes with fasting as when I eat regularly I can feel my body and my brain slow down and yes implications would be gains and reduction of them, if I still got in all my calories within a 6hour period would that create the same gains as if I were to eat the same foods/quantity throughout the day?
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Re: Gear and fasting 2019/04/14 11:53:07 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby DumbellsValentine 2019/04/15 11:17:01
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If you are using the fasting for the mental clarity it brings then it is slightly different to your original post of wanting the best of both worlds.. ie bulking while burning ‘excess fat’.

Remember muscle protein synthesis is elevated for a minimum of 24 hours post training, so when muscle is the goal it is counter productive to fast.

I love fasting for the same reasons you do (but it also helps me not overeat!). You could try protein pulsing during your fast. I’ve been doing this the last few weeks and I’ve been making some decent progress (fat loss, muscle gain and strength gain.. my current goal is to maintain so I’m happy with that!)

It’s not a true fast but you get some of the benefits of the fast. Every 2 - 3 hours have a 20g serving of a good quality whey isolate. Minimal insulin response, no bloating, minimal impact to hunger.. I do a 14 - 18 hour fast and then get all my cals pre and post workout. You must just remember to adjust your macros to take into account the protein you had earlier in the day.

It’s not the most ideal way to bulk and if muscle gain is your goal then regular meals would be better.
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Re: Gear and fasting 2019/04/15 08:18:35 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby DumbellsValentine 2019/04/15 11:17:04
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Apologies Dumbat I wrote it in my phone and it auto corrected dbol to evil, hahaha! Right that makes sense, my goals are to lean bulk. I mostly enjoy the mental clarity that comes with fasting as when I eat regularly I can feel my body and my brain slow down and yes implications would be gains and reduction of them, if I still got in all my calories within a 6hour period would that create the same gains as if I were to eat the same foods/quantity throughout the day?

No the gains will be reduced in comparison.
Muscle protein synthesis occurs at a certain rate and is optimum with a positive nitrogen balance.
 
If we use the rough analogy of a brick builder; he can only lay a certain amount of bricks in an hour, supplying him with a steady amount of bricks and mortar over the shift will enable him to build more wall than piling up a stack of bricks and buckets of mortar by his side and only allowing him to work for six hours. 
 
The difference may not be great but, this is why there is a definite choice between gaining muscle and losing fat.
 
Animal`s idea of frequent intake of protein will certainly mitigate the reduction of MPS . 

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Re: Gear and fasting 2019/04/15 08:27:10 (permalink)
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This is a great question, the exact same was on my mind.

Fasting being excellent in a normal situation, but while running a course that changes natural body functions, would it still be good?

Interesting
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Re: Gear and fasting 2019/04/15 10:54:54 (permalink)
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Interesting take on the 'protein pulsing' animal.  I've considered doing something similar with BCAAs, just because it will allow me to get enough leucine with minimum cals, but not sure if this will negate the benefits of fasting (like you, I don't do it for fat loss, just energy and autophagy).
 
But, haven't tried it yet as I only fast (20/4) on my non lifting days and eat regularly on lifting days.

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Re: Gear and fasting 2019/04/15 11:16:37 (permalink)
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Thank you for your reply Animal, the advice about protein pulsing is interesting, i'm going to give it a shot this week and amazing example Dumbat, really appreciate the time you've taken to explain things. Currently in my third week of Dbol and starting to hold onto water weight around my mid section (i naturally hold water easily anyway) when i finish my Dbol will the extra water weight come off during the rest of my test  and EQ cycle (got 16 weeks left after the dbol finishes) or should i incorporate extra diuretic foods into my diet to flush the water out?
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Re: Gear and fasting 2019/04/15 15:15:35 (permalink)
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Hi can you get any real anavar online do you know
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Re: Gear and fasting 2019/04/15 16:08:49 (permalink)
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Interesting take on the 'protein pulsing' animal.  I've considered doing something similar with BCAAs, just because it will allow me to get enough leucine with minimum cals, but not sure if this will negate the benefits of fasting (like you, I don't do it for fat loss, just energy and autophagy).
 
But, haven't tried it yet as I only fast (20/4) on my non lifting days and eat regularly on lifting days.


Autophagy will def be affected by any consumption of cals including BCAA’s. If that is the reason for your fasting then literally water, green teas and black coffee only.

But yes the protein pulsing I still get that energy and clear head but I know I’m not really fasting.. it’s more of a short term PSMF until my cal window.

I prefer to use an isolate as it is a whole food with all essential aminos. Studies show that MPS is 50% more elevated when all aminos are consumed vs just the 3 Branch chained. Granted this was pwo but my logic is if I’m going to consume any amount calories and break my true fast, I might as well get most bang for my buck. BCAA’s would be my bottom choice, an EAA sup second and a whole food Isolate with all aminos present at the top.

If only ribeye didn’t have so many calories!





Supplementation of a suboptimal protein dose with leucine or essential amino acids: effects on myofibrillar protein synthesis at rest and following resistance exercise in men.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22451437/


Myofibrillar muscle protein synthesis rates subsequent to a meal in response to increasing doses of whey protein at rest and after resistance exercise

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/24257722/
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