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Get fat off protein????

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2005/07/22 03:55:41 (permalink)

Get fat off protein????

me and a associate argued about protein and absorbtion. I said that if your body doesnt require it, it just expells it. unlike carbs and fats. But he says blah blah why do people talk weight gainers that are filled with protein blah blah. I just wanted to know if i was riiiggghtt. he says taht u will get fat if you eat lots of protein. because calories are calories.
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    JohnOvManchester
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    RE: Get fat off protein???? 2005/07/22 04:17:07 (permalink)
    he is right.
    if you have more calories than your energy reqirments need, some of it will get stored as fat.
    1g protein is worth as many cals as 1g carbs.
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    RE: Get fat off protein???? 2005/07/22 06:10:33 (permalink)
    Calorie excess and you will gain weight, calorie deficit you will lose weight. The thing is a calorie is not just a calorie. The body takes different amounts of energy to break down fats, carbs and proteins when they are in excess of energy requiments. Fats don't need any breakdown by the body to be stored as fat, whereas carbs and protein need to be broken down by the body if they are to be stored as fat and thus calories are actually used in this breakdown process. Therefore is you had 100 calories excess of protein and 100 excess calories from fat you would put on more fat with the calories from the fat than from the protein.

    I think the thinking behind excess protein being passed through the body comes from the fact that one of the byproducts of protein metabolism is ammonia. In high levels, ammonia is dangerous to the body, so it is converted into urea. This water soluble chemical is collected by the kidneys and eliminated from the body via urine.
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    thrice
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    RE: Get fat off protein???? 2005/07/22 07:56:58 (permalink)
    but i thought excess protein cant get stored, i know carbs and fats can. But i thought protein just expelled. And protein isnt a immediate source of energy anyway.
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    RE: Get fat off protein???? 2005/07/22 08:10:56 (permalink)
    protein will be converted into fat like all other calories if not used
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    RE: Get fat off protein???? 2005/07/22 12:49:27 (permalink)
    You are right in that excess protein cannot be stored by the body for muscle repair, however as Toxic says any excess that is not used for energy requirements will simply be stored as fat.
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    RE: Get fat off protein???? 2005/07/22 13:21:02 (permalink)
    1g protein is worth as many cals as 1g carbs.

    True
    Protein contains 4 calories per gram
    Carbohydrates contain 4 calories per gram
    Fat contains 9 calories per gram
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    RE: Get fat off protein???? 2005/07/22 14:50:18 (permalink)
    as I said above mate it is very simple.
    every sort of food is worth some calories, if your requirements do not use up all those cals, then the will be stored as fat, protein is no exception.
    you will get fatter in the same way you would get fatter if we were talking about carbs.
    carbs and fats are the preferred energy source but it doesn't change the points of excess cals = fat storage
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    RE: Get fat off protein???? 2005/07/22 15:00:23 (permalink)
    If protein got expelled then we'd have the answer to the worlds obesity crisis....simply put ppl on very high protein diets.

    The only food that gets expelled that I know of is fibre and thats a carb.

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    RE: Get fat off protein???? 2005/07/22 15:05:18 (permalink)
    Doesnt it take alot of energy to convert protein to fat?
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    RE: Get fat off protein???? 2005/07/22 15:15:35 (permalink)
    dont quote me but I thought it didnt take much energy to convert excess protein to fat. As this was the first hypothesis for how the Atkins worked but this wasnt true.




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    RE: Get fat off protein???? 2005/07/23 02:47:58 (permalink)
    phda touched upon some good points

    Protein will first be broken down into glucose and if still not needed by the body to carry out any 'jobs', stored as fat.
    I believe the process will take more energy because it doesn't happen so easily and it is not the body's preferred choice. Protein is constantly needed by the body to carry out numerous tasks. Excess amino acids are not stored by the body so will then be broken down to glucose 'to play the role of carbs' if needed used, and if in excess, will be stored as fat...just like excess carbohydrates would...converted to triglycerides and stored as bodyfat. So yeah, excess protein isn't stored..but it doesn't just pass through either..

    Not sure how much MORE energy the process of 'protein-bodyfat' would take off the top of my head when compared to a much easier process.


     
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    RE: Get fat off protein???? 2005/07/23 13:54:03 (permalink)
    sorry to but in, just wondering if exses protien turns to fat, when cutting i got told to have 250g protien 80g of fat and 200g carbs. what if i just have 400g protien 50g carbs. then the if the exes protien does get converted at lest i wouldend of had too meney carbs.
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    RE: Get fat off protein???? 2005/07/23 14:23:33 (permalink)
    Excess gets stored as fat yes, as explained in the above process. You've completely cut out dietary fat? Not a good idea in my opinion.


     
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