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Getting dedicated with bad genetics

Decided to start a log to see if I really am getting anywhere as it certainly feels goals are not being achieved.
 
Short-term goal to be relatively lean for my holiday to Thailand (Not going to happen now after a crap 4 weeks with very little fat loss) anyway we fly out on the 30th of Sept.
 
Long term goal to be in good condition and lean enough for abs, to continue training with dedication and have a refeed on the weekends.....maybe run a marathon but I will lose any muscle I have acquired.
 
Following a training plan that comes close to Christian Thibaudeau's on the T nation although I think it takes its toll on me and I feel pretty run down and tired.
 
IF approach is also used, I try to fast for around 15-16 hours, I feel better this way and more awake when im fasting.
 
Last testosterone test came back at around 21 so well happy with that, I will not be using gear as coming off it made me feel like absolute ****e!! I would fancy another dabble though for a bit of a boost if my pct was absolutely nailed.........
 
Ive been trying to cut and had a vary hard time, my weights are good but weight is not coming down....am I putting on muscle? I used to have a smoothie in the mornings but knocking that on the head due to the extra fruit cals.
 
Age 37
Start of my cut I weighed 82.7kg
4 weeks in im 79.9kg
Weight is really hard to come off so I had a refeed, morning after I was back up to 82kg this morning.
 
I am absolutely bamboozled as to why im not losing weight, stopped the cider, the chocolate, ice cream and sweeties???
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    Re: Getting dedicated with bad genetics 2018/09/10 15:13:03 (permalink)
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    Up at 7am, black coffee
     
    Still feel like I have a cold
     
    0840 gym
    Deadlifts working up to 160kgx5
    V bar row 2 warm ups, 3 sets to failure 
    DB curl 2 warm ups, 3 sets to failure
    Ham curls 2 warm ups, 3 sets to fail
    Shurugs
    10 mins X trainer
     
    Washed van and GSXR while sipping whey isolate and creatine
    Chicken curry with rice then an hours walk
    Apple cider vinegar x1
     
    Cals 1752
    Fat 70
    Carbs 109
    Pro 140
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    Re: Getting dedicated with bad genetics 2018/09/11 10:55:51 (permalink)
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    Woke at 7am, cup of tea
     
    Dropped kids off and went off for a run, took 1 hour, ran to Lady hill for hill sprints x10 then back home.
     
    Weight 80.3kg
     
    Broke fast with 4 eggs with wholemeal toast
     
    Been very hungry today after the morning intense training, out playing with the kids at the park etc.
     
    Cals 1810
    Pro 131g
    carbs 151g
    fats 75g
     
    Measurements
    Forearms right 33cm     left 32cm
    Bi's   right  40cm          left  40cm
    Neck       41cm
    Chest     1.09m
    Waist @ belly button/round love handles 92cm :(
    Quads    right 58cm       left  58cm
    Calves    Right 38cm     left  39cm
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    Re: Getting dedicated with bad genetics 2018/09/11 20:49:06 (permalink)
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    Hey mate, I feel your pain RE cutting!! Just having a gander and your weights lifted/bodyweight and even measurements are near enough identical to mine! What height are you (may have missed that)? Good luck with your cut!
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    Re: Getting dedicated with bad genetics 2018/09/12 07:13:27 (permalink)
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    Hey mate, I feel your pain RE cutting!! Just having a gander and your weights lifted/bodyweight and even measurements are near enough identical to mine! What height are you (may have missed that)? Good luck with your cut!




    Alright mate, Im just a short ass at around 5'7"......suppose it makes deadlifting easier :) I see your just down the road in Weegieland, you must like the Buckfast :) Since I had a refeed the weight seems to be dropping off again so that a big learning curve for me....thats my pre workout kicking in now so off to drop the kids off and straight to the gym.

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    Re: Getting dedicated with bad genetics 2018/09/12 07:15:54 (permalink)
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    Weight 79.8kg
     
    BB warehouse pre work out necked at 07.30 and sipping BCAA throughout session.
     
    Inc DB press working up to 42kg DB's x 8 reps.....too heavy tbh and didn't feel it win the muscle, down to 25kg 2 more slow 4 sec negative sets to failure.
     
    Shoulder bad today, suspected due to heavy bag work a few days ago.
     
    BB shoulder press Failed due to shoulder, nice slow controlled side lats instead, 3 sets to failure
     
    Tri rope push down progress to 3 sets to failure, high reps
     
    Leg press progressed to 3 sets to failure
     
    Abs
     
    Cardio 10 mins X trainer
     
    Bicycle ride 45 mins...legs burning approx 15km
     
    Walk for 45 mins
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    Re: Getting dedicated with bad genetics 2018/09/12 08:16:26 (permalink)
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    Welcome to the logs mate.
     
    Which plan are you following by Christian Thib? I love his articles.
     

     
    1RM's @ BW 90kg:
    Squat - 160kg / Bench - 115kg / Deadlift - 210kg / Strict OHP - 77.5kg
     
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    Re: Getting dedicated with bad genetics 2018/09/12 09:26:52 (permalink)
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    Welcome to the logs mate.
     
    Which plan are you following by Christian Thib? I love his articles.
     




    Hello mate,
     
    The one im kinda following is    https://www.t-nation.com/training/the-best-damn-workout-plan-for-natural-lifters
    this way of training is night and day to how I used to train, I bought Mike Mentzers books many moons ago and use to train hard but very rare
     
    I also like the way Ben Pakulski trains so try to use his technique.
     
    It still remains to be seen if these ways are actually benefiting me or not lol.

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    Re: Getting dedicated with bad genetics 2018/09/12 10:06:10 (permalink)
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    So you're doing the push/pull split 6 times a week?
     
    Knowing if its of any benefit for you will depend how long you have been doing it for, it take months even years to see any big changes for a natty.
     
    I tried loads of plans for the first 10 years of my training, most of which had not very noticable gains, although I still felt better from them. It's not until I switched to strength based training on based Wendlers 531 that I made the most progress, in size as well as strength. I'm still natty (for now anyway lol).
     
     

     
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    Re: Getting dedicated with bad genetics 2018/09/12 11:07:32 (permalink)
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    So you're doing the push/pull split 6 times a week?
     
    Knowing if its of any benefit for you will depend how long you have been doing it for, it take months even years to see any big changes for a natty.
     
    I tried loads of plans for the first 10 years of my training, most of which had not very noticable gains, although I still felt better from them. It's not until I switched to strength based training on based Wendlers 531 that I made the most progress, in size as well as strength. I'm still natty (for now anyway lol).
     
     




    I try to stick to 6 days a week mate but being on low cals and morning cardio its taken its toll on me, Ive been proper tired and people even saying I look ill and worn out, working offshore its tough to work out macro's so its just real high protein meals most of the time.
     
    I'll have a look into he Wendlers 531, I dont know much about it but doing 1 rep stuff has never been fun for me, maybe because most fo the time I train as a loner??? infant I just opened a page and started reading about it and it seems pretty motivating.
     
    Yeah being natty is pretty hard these days....most guys at the gym are on something these days and when you see results on here in the journals its almost like we're wasting our time, the recovery for me was fcuking horrible though and not something id do again, although training now is a big part of my life ill try and not let it take over my life......

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    Re: Getting dedicated with bad genetics 2018/09/13 07:06:25 (permalink)
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    Damn scales this morning said 80kg?? Used different scales and they said 79.1kg which is more like it, i'll use different scales now as the ones ive been using dont seem reliable.
     
    Weight 79.1
     
    New Java Robusta coffee from Scottish coffee....holy **** its strong
     
    Gym for 08.40 to train pulling muscles, straight after gym go and buy a new track bike R6.
     
    All 2-3 warm up sets to 3 sets to failure, shoulders hurt a lot especially doing pull downs
     
    Wide grip pull down
    Machine row
    Bi overhead cable curls
    Ham curls 45 on the machine
    Calves
     
    X trainer 15 mins
     
    Feeling slightly worn down.
     
     


    Good diet all day, night time I messed up and had 4 ciders and a burger :(

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    Re: Getting dedicated with bad genetics 2018/09/13 08:05:31 (permalink)
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    I tend to find 6 days a week too much, especially with cardio on top of that. I've always preferred rest days inbetween so tend to stick with 3 or 4 workouts per week, maybe do the light cardio on your rest days.
    Plus, that Christian Thibs 'best damn workout plan' is geared towards people who want to put on size, you will need to be eating plenty of calories as well, so its not an ideal plan for when you are running a defecit or fasting. You can plan your refeed days to be on your weight training days, but training 6 days a week gives you little room to do this.
     
    With 531 you don't actually have to do the 1rep week if you don't want to. You can just keep repeating the first two weeks so you do 535353etc... After 6-8 weeks you can them maybe do a 1rep week just to test yourself. Deload for a week, and then reset and repeat. You may not think you enjoy 1rep stuff, but seeing your 1RM improve is extremely motivating. I wish I had done strength based programs from when I started lifting now.
     
    What do you do offshore by the way?
     
     

     
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    Re: Getting dedicated with bad genetics 2018/09/13 12:47:20 (permalink)
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    I tend to find 6 days a week too much, especially with cardio on top of that. I've always preferred rest days inbetween so tend to stick with 3 or 4 workouts per week, maybe do the light cardio on your rest days.
    Plus, that Christian Thibs 'best damn workout plan' is geared towards people who want to put on size, you will need to be eating plenty of calories as well, so its not an ideal plan for when you are running a defecit or fasting. You can plan your refeed days to be on your weight training days, but training 6 days a week gives you little room to do this.
     
    With 531 you don't actually have to do the 1rep week if you don't want to. You can just keep repeating the first two weeks so you do 535353etc... After 6-8 weeks you can them maybe do a 1rep week just to test yourself. Deload for a week, and then reset and repeat. You may not think you enjoy 1rep stuff, but seeing your 1RM improve is extremely motivating. I wish I had done strength based programs from when I started lifting now.
     
    What do you do offshore by the way?
     
     




    The 531 is definitely something im interested in now bud, ill plan it in for the beginning of the year, ill have a bit of a rest over crimbo then hit the 531 when I go back offshore.
     
    For the time being ill do 2 days on 1 off, ill keep up the morning SSCV though and try to lose a couple more kg before the holiday.
     
    Im on the deck crew on the rig mate, Im responsible for the cranes, helicopters and marine stuff....2 weeks on 3 off so happy days :)
     

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    Re: Getting dedicated with bad genetics 2018/09/14 11:17:46 (permalink)
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    Pretty poor pics and very hard to get good pics due to bad lighting, 1st day back offshore, I will be dedicated for the next 14 days, I have some MK 677 to try out and will also be having a sauna every night to see if they make any difference....

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    Re: Getting dedicated with bad genetics 2018/09/14 11:36:42 (permalink)
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    lol I dont think you've got too much to worry about mate you already look in great shape!

     
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    Re: Getting dedicated with bad genetics 2018/09/14 19:07:49 (permalink)
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    lol I dont think you've got too much to worry about mate you already look in great shape!
    Cheers pal, it's a proper head **** at the moment, putting in lots of effort and most of the time it just doesn't seem to pay off......

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    Re: Getting dedicated with bad genetics 2018/09/14 19:09:14 (permalink)
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    Sauna tonight and a push session after my first dose of MK 47 @ 20mg.

    Finished off with a jaffa grenade bar

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    Re: Getting dedicated with bad genetics 2018/09/14 19:58:34 (permalink)
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    Seem to remember you had a pretty successful SUC a few years back? How did you train for that?
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    Re: Getting dedicated with bad genetics 2018/09/15 08:15:16 (permalink)
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    Seem to remember you had a pretty successful SUC a few years back? How did you train for that?
    Any time I've been lean previously has been due to BJJ mate, sparring with some of the top MMA and BJJ guys in the country and eating mainly a keto type diet with super low calls, when u do this I go very small, last time I competed I was 72kg and didn't look good at all, this time I'm trying to maintain a bit of muscle and lean down without looking too much like I've got aids :)

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    Re: Getting dedicated with bad genetics 2018/09/15 08:17:07 (permalink)
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    Morning cardio on treadmill 21 mins at 6mph with a 1 min sprint at the end.

    1st night on MK 47 and I had a great sleep and feel ****in awesome, maybe the MK or the sauna???

    Abs

    Stetch

    Work

    No weight training

    Cals very approx 2000

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