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2006/07/14 11:49:01 (permalink)
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Go to Faulire on Every Set??

Should i go to faulire on every set, or just the last set guys? (im using a 4 day split).

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    RE: Go to Faulire on Every Set?? 2006/07/14 11:50:45 (permalink)
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    If you are going to failure then it only needs to be done on the one set. Failure itself is often debated here, but there are certainly studies to support that if you do do it, then 1 set of failure is best......... stimulate, not anihilate
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    RE: Go to Faulire on Every Set?? 2006/07/14 12:07:06 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: dirtyvest
    stimulate, not anihilate

    lol, well put Dirty!.
    Up until yesterday, i didn’t fully understand what failure truly meant. I did some research last night, and educated myself well!.

    The best quote i found:
    In weight training, training to failure is to repeat an exercise movement (such as the bench press) to the point of momentary muscular failure. Contrary to widespread belief, this is not the point at which the individual thinks they cannot complete any more repetitions, but rather the first repetition that fails due to inadequate muscular strength.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Train_to_failure

    That was me! (thinking i'd gone to failure when i hadn't)

    I had been training for two years on and off, and never really realised that i didn’t train to failure, as realistically i could have got another one more out if i had a gun to my head. True failure is when you literally could not do anymore, no matter what. As far as i understand, going 'one less' than failure allows you to potentially train that muscle more than once a week, whereas going to true failure requires a minimum of a week for everything to heal.

    True failure is obviously difficult without a spotter (or rack). I'll be getting a rack with 'catchers' soon, so can experiment proper failure and see how that affects my gain dirtyvest!

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    RE: Go to Faulire on Every Set?? 2006/07/14 15:22:02 (permalink)
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    I think its best to go to failure on most and have a weeks rest between each muscle
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    RE: Go to Faulire on Every Set?? 2006/07/14 16:01:26 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: makaveli1971 1996

    I think its best to go to failure on most and have a weeks rest between each muscle


    You're going to have to clarify what you mean by 'most'?

    I was asking if you do 4 sets of chest presses on one day for example, should you go to failure on every set, or just the last set?

    I think you may have misunderstood the question, looking at your reply.

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    RE: Go to Faulire on Every Set?? 2006/07/14 16:41:07 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: makaveli1971 1996

    I think its best to go to failure on most and have a weeks rest between each muscle


    my personal opinion is that i go to failure and train each muscle group twice a week now as i felt once wasnt enough. im young so my recovery time is probibly quicker
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    RE: Go to Faulire on Every Set?? 2006/07/14 18:21:54 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: _GM_


    ORIGINAL: makaveli1971 1996

    I think its best to go to failure on most and have a weeks rest between each muscle


    my personal opinion is that i go to failure and train each muscle group twice a week now as i felt once wasnt enough. im young so my recovery time is probibly quicker


    You may be right GM, but i'd ask around just for some opinions if i were you mate, just in case you're going down a road to overtraining. As i say, you may be right, but always better to be careful rather than sorry later.

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    RE: Go to Faulire on Every Set?? 2006/07/14 18:31:49 (permalink)
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    well for example if i'm doing flat dumbell not including warm up's i do 3 sets set 1 with 27.5kg dbells i stop a couple before failure. next set 30 kg i go hard again but stop a couple before failure then last set 32.5kg i go to failure.
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    RE: Go to Faulire on Every Set?? 2006/07/14 20:03:41 (permalink)
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    The way that I do it is the same as most

    Choose a weight - say 210kg (deads) and a rep range - 3x6 in my case

    Warm up
    Do 6 reps, should be hard
    Do 6 reps, should be harder
    Do as many reps as you can until failure, should manage about 4-8 reps

    When you start doing more than 6,6,8 up the weight next week, if you drop below 6,6,4, drop the weight

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    RE: Go to Faulire on Every Set?? 2006/07/14 23:07:22 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: dirtyvest

    If you are going to failure then it only needs to be done on the one set. Failure itself is often debated here, but there are certainly studies to support that if you do do it, then 1 set of failure is best......... stimulate, not anihilate


    I quite agree.

    Studies have indeed shown that the benefit of training to failure is not enhanced at all by doing multiple sets to failure - which stands to reason, since the point of training to failure is to ensure that all muscle fibres have been exhausted. That is why you fail. If you do another set after that (even not to failure) it will be pretty pointless.
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    RE: Go to Faulire on Every Set?? 2006/07/26 14:12:20 (permalink)
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    This was an Excellent way to explain Wiffers!!

    ORIGINAL: wiffers

    The way that I do it is the same as most

    Choose a weight - say 210kg (deads) and a rep range - 3x6 in my case

    Warm up
    Do 6 reps, should be hard
    Do 6 reps, should be harder
    Do as many reps as you can until failure, should manage about 4-8 reps

    When you start doing more than 6,6,8 up the weight next week, if you drop below 6,6,4, drop the weight


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    RE: Go to Faulire on Every Set?? 2006/07/26 14:39:25 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: wiffers

    The way that I do it is the same as most

    Choose a weight - say 210kg (deads) and a rep range - 3x6 in my case

    Warm up
    Do 6 reps, should be hard
    Do 6 reps, should be harder
    Do as many reps as you can until failure, should manage about 4-8 reps

    When you start doing more than 6,6,8 up the weight next week, if you drop below 6,6,4, drop the weight


    Say do a 6,6,4 would ya leave it at that or complete the set on the lower weight.

    Im doin 3 x 8's and sometimes if I can only manage 4 in my last rep, I drop the weight to make sure I complete the 8...
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