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2011/03/21 18:48:42 (permalink)

Grass fed organic whey and milk protein?

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Does anyone know of any supplement companies that sell whey and/or milk protein (isolates or concentrates) that are guaranteed to have been sourced from grass fed cows which have not been treated with antibiotics (or at least have kept antibiotic treatment to a minimum)?
 
I have only found two companies at the moment: Pulsin' and Kinetica.
 
I am also trying to avoid products with artificial sweeteners and thickeners in if possible and I don't care about flavour.
 
Many thanks in advance for any help anyone can provide.
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Re:Grass fed organic whey and milk protein? 2011/03/21 18:59:37 (permalink)
Assuming your doing this for health reasons and the fact that you must beable to afford to spend alot on such a whey, do you not think you would be better spending your money on a soild protein source, or just a hemp protein?
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Re:Grass fed organic whey and milk protein? 2011/03/21 19:02:34 (permalink)
I think you have done well to find 2 companys that do it already, why do you want to find more and not just get it from them?
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Re:Grass fed organic whey and milk protein? 2011/03/21 20:13:57 (permalink)
You're coming close to assuming buying grass fed organic is more expensive than buying protein which is not guaranteed to be grassfed organic.  That assumption is dubious:  Compare for example buying pulsin 5-20kg or kinetica 4.25kg with other well known sources.
 
Why not just buy whole foods?  Sometimes you need a reasonably fast or very slow release protein that isn't meat or seed (I'm eating a lot of that already).  I also like to vary my protein sources.
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Re:Grass fed organic whey and milk protein? 2011/03/21 20:17:13 (permalink)
Why not stick with just Pulsin and Kinetica?  I like to vary my sources and to see if I can get an equivalent quality at a cheaper price.  Also the Kinetica does have a thickener and a (albeit relatively harmless) artificial sweetener in (until they switch to stevia later in the year).
post edited by MrOctagon - 2011/03/21 20:29:29
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Re:Grass fed organic whey and milk protein? 2011/03/21 23:08:50 (permalink)
I bet people are just dying to offer you advice after those responses to swordfish...

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Re:Grass fed organic whey and milk protein? 2011/03/22 01:31:57 (permalink)
MrOctagon
You're coming close to assuming buying grass fed organic is more expensive than buying protein which is not guaranteed to be grassfed organic. 

That's because it is.
 
MrOctagon
That assumption is dubious: 

Only if your ignorant or simply deluded.
 
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Compare for example buying pulsin 5-20kg or kinetica 4.25kg with other well known sources.

Ive done this countless times before, not going to waste time doing it again. Your the one making the claims, why not support them?
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Re:Grass fed organic whey and milk protein? 2011/03/22 08:03:45 (permalink)
I did check the price before i made the comment and yes it was twice what you would pay for a "standard" whey.
 
Would be interested in seeing your whole diet plan mate
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Re:Grass fed organic whey and milk protein? 2011/03/22 08:44:49 (permalink)
I'm pretty sure kenetica is not organic whey and i would be suprised if it was all sourced from grass fed cattle all year round.

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Re:Grass fed organic whey and milk protein? 2011/03/22 09:01:03 (permalink)
seriously?
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Re:Grass fed organic whey and milk protein? 2011/03/22 10:10:50 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
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Re:Grass fed organic whey and milk protein? 2011/03/22 13:27:31 (permalink)
hm interesting, BulkWhey do you know if bacarel stills sells 20kg bag?



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Re:Grass fed organic whey and milk protein? 2011/03/22 13:33:50 (permalink)
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I'm pretty sure kenetica is not organic whey and i would be suprised if it was all sourced from grass fed cattle all year round.

 
I concur pretty sure this is not so given the source of their Whey also they will not be using Stevia either as it is banned in the EU . Unless they have found a way of refining it that I have not heard of yet
 
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Re:Grass fed organic whey and milk protein? 2011/03/22 15:24:06 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
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hm interesting, BulkWhey do you know if bacarel stills sells 20kg bag?

It looks like it on their site. Can't pay via the site though. You'd have to buzz them.
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Re:Grass fed organic whey and milk protein? 2011/03/23 00:31:12 (permalink)
What about a hemp protein you can actually drink without gagging, does that exist?
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Re:Grass fed organic whey and milk protein? 2011/03/25 16:59:52 (permalink)
Thanks to everyone who has responded to this thread with constructive points.

Firstly, a massive thanks to Bulk Whey for the info!  (I used to buy your unvlavoured milk protein isolate about a year ago by the way!)

Secondly, clarification of the stevia point:  It is currently illegal.  I have heard rumours that Kinetica expect it to become legal later this year and will switch to using it as soon as it is in fact legal (hence my earlier comment).

Third:  The kinetica comments are interesting (thanks to both members for the heads up on this).  Perhaps it would be too commercially sensitive to ask you how you know what you do - but anyway thanks for the heads up.  If this is true, I don't see why Kinetica's ad in the latest edition of Mens Fitness is claiming it is grass fed whey - are they stretching the definiton of 'grass fed' perhaps?

Having skim read the FAQs and T&Cs on the kinetica website they say their whey is from the Carbery Dairy Group in Ireland.  At no point on the website do they use the word 'grass fed'.  At no point on the Carbery group's websites is the word 'grass fed' used.  They do, however, say a little bit about their quality standards and testing  and what the standards and history of the Carbery group are.

Fourth, there was no scepticism expressed about Pulsin's claims.  Is that because people don't know a lot about them or because they think their claim to grassfed whey is right?

Finally, a mate of mine has suggested that Bulk Discount Supplements stuff is from grassfed cows in Ireland whose antibiotic treatment is kept to a minimum.  Is anyone able to confirm or disconfirm this rumour?

Many thanks in advance!
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Re:Grass fed organic whey and milk protein? 2011/03/25 19:21:52 (permalink)
is there any evidence to show the antibiotics etc make it through processing and into milk and dairy products?
 
genuine question, its not something ive ever thought about.  so wondering why you wanted to avoid cows that had been given antibiotics etc
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Re:Grass fed organic whey and milk protein? 2011/09/03 11:13:52 (permalink)
The cows lack nutrition/vits/mins since their diet (albeit grain and pellet fed) over those that have been on a pasture diet. Studies (you can look for them!) shows there more polys (omega 3 was the emphasis) in pasture fed cows compared to those on a grain diet.

Then again, another variable is whether the pasture is organic and not contaminated by surrounding fields that grow crop using pesticides.
 
IIRC, I read a while ago (backed up by studies) that some of those antibiotics and growth hormones used in cows (but in all meat, however lets stick to cows), survive the cooking process (especially in the case of pasturised milk) when cooked and when consumed by you and I, cause reactions in our own bodies, including and not limiting to inflammation.
 
 
post edited by Stone - 2011/09/03 11:15:11

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Re:Grass fed organic whey and milk protein? 2011/09/04 11:29:03 (permalink)
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The cows lack nutrition/vits/mins since their diet (albeit grain and pellet fed) over those that have been on a pasture diet. Studies (you can look for them!) shows there more polys (omega 3 was the emphasis) in pasture fed cows compared to those on a grain diet.



long bump, but an interesting one!
 
the above would be good, if you were drinking the milk, but thats different to once its been processed to produce WPC surely, as the fat content is very low.
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Re:Grass fed organic whey and milk protein? 2011/09/04 19:01:03 (permalink)
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I'm pretty sure [blankety blank] is not organic whey and i would be suprised if it was all sourced from grass fed cattle all year round.

 
Agree 100%. One could also ask if it is always the same source?
 
Personally this whole thread seems dubious to me - a plant perhaps!?

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