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2009/07/14 10:14:23 (permalink)

Guitar Advice for a novice please

Ive got a bit of spare time on my hands this summer and as a lifelong music fanatic have decided id like to try learning guitar.
 
Problem with this is i havent a clue where to begin really and due to a reasonably extravagent foreign holiday this summer i dont have much of a budget.
 
I was thinking of getting an acoustic of some type and trying to go self taught using videos on youtube.
 
If it helps my influences would be lo-fi (ish) stuff like Pavement, Sebadoh, Dinosaur Jr from an indie perspective with a view to learning how to play funk style wah wah on an electric.
 
Any advice much appreciated.
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    Re:Guitar Advice for a novice please 2009/07/14 10:18:48 (permalink)
    Best to start off with something simple , like this 
     



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    Re:Guitar Advice for a novice please 2009/07/14 10:31:32 (permalink)
    Id need to grow another 3 arms first.
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    Re:Guitar Advice for a novice please 2009/07/14 10:43:36 (permalink)
    Wouldn't bother with an acoustic if you like that kind of music.
    Plenty of budget manufacturers do starter kits which include an amp and stuff.
    Take a look at these for starters:
    http://www.guitarampkeyboard.com/en/~guitar_packs/~electric_guitars
    http://www.jhs.co.uk/encoreelectric.html
    There are plenty of others.

    Search google for beginners technique lessons.
    Don't forget ultimate-guitar.com for tabs (show you how to play songs by pretty much anyone).


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    Re:Guitar Advice for a novice please 2009/07/14 10:59:39 (permalink)
    Cheers for the links the 2nd looks very good. 

    Was just thinking acoustic originally for ease but rarely listen to any acoustic stuff to be honest.
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    Re:Guitar Advice for a novice please 2009/07/14 11:04:50 (permalink)
    don marcos
    Was just thinking acoustic originally for ease


    an Acoustic is harder to play than an Electric, especially if you're a beginner. However, I started off on an Acoustic and I think this is the way to do it because it means I am now very good on Acoustic guitar and even better on Electric, whereas if I had learned on an Electric I would have gotten good at that, but then if I went to pick up an Acoustic I wouldn't know what was going on. So IMO everyone should learn on an acoustic.

    Also, if at all possible, get lessons. Most people on youtube have absolutely no idea what they're doing and you will pick up so many bad habits.
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    Re:Guitar Advice for a novice please 2009/07/14 11:06:17 (permalink)
    electrics are generally easier to play due to the lighter guage of string USUALLY used and the action (the space between the string and the fretboard). Acoustics need a heavier guage to get the top moving.

    BUT

    If you learn on a decent acoustic you'll build up finger strength and very often a player who has only ever played on an electric with 8's or 9's picks up an acoustic with 12's or 13's and can't bend the strings at all.

    I would always recommend learning on an acoustic and then transgressing to an electric.

    edited to say Citizen Kane was quicker
    post edited by Northern Rocker - 2009/07/14 11:08:24



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    Re:Guitar Advice for a novice please 2009/07/14 11:16:01 (permalink)
    Deciding electric/acoustic is important, but it's not the be all and end all of playig the guitar. I'd recommend going to a decent guitar shop - one that has a wide range of guitars and seemingly knowledgeable and helpful staff. A good shop, even a decent small independent will be happy for you to go in and spend time taking a look and having a go. I don't live there anymore but when i was a student in Cambridge i went into a small shop which was excellent and they really put me at ease trying guitars out and deciding what to buy.

    I had a cheap and nasty acoustic guitar for 5years at least before getting a nicer one, and i bought a second hand electric guitar from an ad in the local paper but to be honest i wish i had just got something half decent to begin with. There is a lot of snobbery in the guitar world, some of it is justified, but a lot of it is just fanboyism and moremoneythansenseism

    I have the following guitar;



    I bought it in 1999 and it was a 21st birthday present from my parents for £250. I got the guitar, a bunch of picks, the stand it's on right now, and i think i might have got a basic capo too.

    It's a Vintage (brand not age), an electro acoustic, has a nice action on it and no dead frets or off tones. Almost every expert guitarist (in my eyes anyway) that has used it has been very impressed. I bought it over a Yamaha that i liked ten years ago as i was informed that the Vintage guitar was basically a copy of the Yamaha made in the same factory as it's more expensive sibling by the same people. These were all mass produced guitars not carefully hand crafted individuals. Admittedly the wood is most likely a lesser quality but seeing as the Yamaha was £600ish - i of course didn't know that when i picked it up and liked it.

    I wanted an acoustic, but i also wanted to get an amp and use it on that occasionally.

    These days you can get something like a PocketPod and use either an electric on headphones, or an acoustic too but you can make it sound like whatever guitarist you want to for about £60.

    Go spend some time in a shop - don't worry too much about what music you want to play for now. Just see what you feel comfortable with. Obviously try and bear in mind if you are going to practise in your room, or jam with a few mates - not much point getting an electric and amp if you are going to be concerned over making too much noise and then won't bother practising - or if you get embarassed because you think you sound rubbish. That goes for acoustics too.

    There is a wealth of free learning material on the net, but the best thing is to learn a few basics, pick some music you like and just take some time. That's going to be the hardest part - sticking at it and practise practise practise.

    Crikey this has been a long post so i'll cut it off there.

    Awesome pic, but Tony you're not doing yourself many favours posting up tips on preventing the gag reflex and then a picture of a guy touching his toes - Ak
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    Re:Guitar Advice for a novice please 2009/07/14 11:19:32 (permalink)
    I would always recommend learning on an acoustic and then transgressing to an electric.


    No need for transgression.

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    Re:Guitar Advice for a novice please 2009/07/14 11:25:21 (permalink)
    Some good advice there.

    Id say get a cheap-but-half-decent acoustic (you can pick up a Yamaha F series for under 100), get a book for beginners and maybe a chord book, and then use the internet.

    But, most of all, persevere - what holds most people back is they give up when they find they're not playing like Eric Clapton after 2 weeks


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    Re:Guitar Advice for a novice please 2009/07/14 11:40:10 (permalink)
    Interesting thoughts about starting on an acoustic to build up strength.

    If he's never going to play an acoustic why bother?
    Strength for bends, etc. can be built up just the same on electric.
    Just don't go for the lightest gauge strings.
    But then again, if you always use them you won't have a problem!

    I would base your choice on the type of music you are going to want to play.
    If you're into distorted rock guitar and you start on acoustic you're only going to have to buy an electric and amp at a later date.
    If you decide in the future you want to play acoustic as well, you can always get one.

    As for online tuition, youtube is not the best. Although there are some professional lessons on there - avoid the "bedroom" lessons.

    I would also advise an old fashioned magazine such as Guitar Techniques or Total Guitar. They cover a wide range of styles and abilities.

    To be honest I've been playing so long I can't remember what it was like to learn from scratch but I know that Guitar Techniques was a big help.


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    Re:Guitar Advice for a novice please 2009/07/14 11:41:03 (permalink)
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    I would always recommend learning on an acoustic and then transgressing to an electric.


    No need for transgression.

    trans⋅gress /trænsˈgrɛs, trænz-/  [trans-gres, tranz-]

    –verb (used without object) 1. to violate a law, command, moral code, etc.



    what the hell is the word I'm looking for ?  Ahhh got it; progressing ? transition ? That's what happens when you spend 30 years in a foreign country.




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    Re:Guitar Advice for a novice please 2009/07/14 11:48:32 (permalink)
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    Interesting thoughts about starting on an acoustic to build up strength.

    If he's never going to play an acoustic why bother?
    Strength for bends, etc. can be built up just the same on electric.
    Just don't go for the lightest gauge strings.
    But then again, if you always use them you won't have a problem!

    I would base your choice on the type of music you are going to want to play.
    If you're into distorted rock guitar and you start on acoustic you're only going to have to buy an electric and amp at a later date.
    If you decide in the future you want to play acoustic as well, you can always get one.

    As for online tuition, youtube is not the best. Although there are some professional lessons on there - avoid the "bedroom" lessons.

    I would also advise an old fashioned magazine such as Guitar Techniques or Total Guitar. They cover a wide range of styles and abilities.

    To be honest I've been playing so long I can't remember what it was like to learn from scratch but I know that Guitar Techniques was a big help.


    just seems pretty one dimensional to play only on an electric. Sure you can play your electric unplugged but it's nicer to play a decent acoustic when you can't fire up your tubes imo.

    Guitar models can be emotional issues. But a good acoustic would be a Seagull, you can get a solid top quite cheaply. Try and get a solid top at least, solid back and sides is of course usually the best (I say usually because there are some very expensive classical guitars with laminate backs), the tops will improve with age and usually delivery a more complex range of tones than a laminated top.

    There's nothing like feeling a good acoustic resonate against your belly when you strum it.



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    Re:Guitar Advice for a novice please 2009/07/14 11:53:59 (permalink)
    played since the age of 14, im 32 now. my advice (this is just my view though!!), electric are better for getting hooked. in about hour you can play some simple power chords and feel and sound pretty damn cool. voila, hooked!! most beginner packs are stratocasters for elec, so pretty easy on the fingers compared to say a 'beginners' jumbo accoustic. id say dont push the boat out on price, for under a ton you could pick up a half decent one with amp, argos jobbie, even cheaper if you get on ebay. dont worry if you dont know about guitars much, buying a 'dud' one, overall not much can go wrong that isnt fixable, short of a big crack right down it.  cheap is good to get practicing and seeing if you actually like it.
    Im not saying im an expert, but have had shedloads of guitars over the years, whittled down to 3 now, let me know if i can help in anyway.


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    Re:Guitar Advice for a novice please 2009/07/14 12:16:24 (permalink)
    asc

      electric are better for getting hooked. in about hour you can play some simple power chords and feel and sound pretty damn cool. voila, hooked!!


    you have a good point



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    Re:Guitar Advice for a novice please 2009/07/14 12:35:30 (permalink)
    Cheers for the advice from everyone.

    Id read acoustics are harder to play but i thought the "pick up and play" aspect might make it a more convenient option.

    TBH the guitar sounds I like is either the low fi stuff mentioned above (Pavement, Sebadoh etc), the heavy distorted My Bloody Valentine/Jesus and Mary Chain thing or the out and out funk guitar sound (Ive been thinking for a while that Id like to master this eventually theres a big funk scene in Leeds Id like to get involved in and mostly all the live gigs I attend these days are funk/soul).  Getting an electric would probably be a more sensible option for me.
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    Re:Guitar Advice for a novice please 2009/07/14 12:39:07 (permalink)
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    just seems pretty one dimensional to play only on an electric.


    I agree but for a beginner I think it's best to keep things simple.
    Myself I play just about all styles apart from jazz and I even tried that for a while although I would never listen to it!
    But for now I would advise him to concentrate on one thing first before trying to master every style at once.



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    Re:Guitar Advice for a novice please 2009/07/14 12:40:03 (permalink)
    PS. don marcos if you're in Leeds learn bass as my band is looking for a bass player in Leeds!


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    Re:Guitar Advice for a novice please 2009/07/14 12:41:39 (permalink)
    One of my mates has just recommended this one

    http://www.carverdoug.com/wang.html
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    Re:Guitar Advice for a novice please 2009/07/14 12:43:22 (permalink)
    Varg

    PS. don marcos if you're in Leeds learn bass as my band is looking for a bass player in Leeds!


    Would love to Varg, my old flatmate was a bass player and could make some great sounds but I like the funky wah wah sound too much!
     
    You ever play in Leeds?
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