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2014/10/14 16:51:57 (permalink)

Gyno during M1T / 6 Bromo hindering gains

Hi Guys
 
Quick question.
 
Read a lot already on this topic (gyno during a M1T cycle) from what ive read it seems to be dependent on the individual.
 
During a cycle of Dbol early on in my days i came across the dreaded gyno symptoms which isn't a surprise as i was young and naive and ran the course without any though or care about PCT. After completion of the Dbol course i was left with a small brittle lumP under my right nipple. Thank god that after several years of training naturally it seems to have reversed the gyno and has cleared up over time.
 
Now after a few years of educating myself both in the gym and on forums alike i feel ready to run a course of M1T.
 
I'm obviously gyno prone so im hoping to be running 6 Bromo throughout the course as a precaution. will this hinder my gains ? as ive read mixed opinions of other forums on this matter?
 
on completion ill be switching over to a standard Nolva PCT
 
Any help and advice on this matter what be much appreciated 
 
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Re: Gyno during M1T / 6 Bromo hindering gains 2014/10/14 17:44:59 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby simonboyle 2014/10/15 14:52:26
Hey bro. So, in short, do not run 6-bromo with M1T. M1T does not aromatize and 6-bromo is an aromatase inhibitor. Pointless, and will only hinder you. Here is what you should do: Run M1T at 15-22.5mg/day for 33 days, have PLENTY of Nolva on hand BEFORE you start your cycle. If you notice any gyno type issues (I doubt you will on M1T) then you can start taking nolva while on cycle.
 
Dbol, unlike M1T, aromatizes. You should have been on an AI for Dbol. And 6-bromo is (IMHO) not a very effective AI. Much better off with ATD. But again, you don't need it on M1T.
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Re: Gyno during M1T / 6 Bromo hindering gains 2014/10/14 18:16:02 (permalink)
Hey cheers for clarifying things much appreciated 
 
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Re: Gyno during M1T / 6 Bromo hindering gains 2014/10/15 14:53:11 (permalink)
m1t is a dht derivative, if anything, it would prevent gyno. It doesn't, but it is in that category. You're good to go mate.
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Re: Gyno during M1T / 6 Bromo hindering gains 2014/10/15 20:16:42 (permalink)
Im right in saying though that after ive finished my cycle my PCT has to be on point as  my natty levels may rebound hard, in tern causing gyno? 
 
Nolva should be sufficient enough to combat this?
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Re: Gyno during M1T / 6 Bromo hindering gains 2014/10/15 21:51:07 (permalink)
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Im right in saying though that after ive finished my cycle my PCT has to be on point as  my natty levels may rebound hard, in tern causing gyno? 
 
Nolva should be sufficient enough to combat this?




If you want to be extra safe (like I do) take Nolva for 2 months and end with an AI that stretches out an extra few weeks. 40/20/20/10/10/5/5/5 for Nolva.
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Re: Gyno during M1T / 6 Bromo hindering gains 2014/10/16 03:27:14 (permalink)
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Im right in saying though that after ive finished my cycle my PCT has to be on point as  my natty levels may rebound hard, in tern causing gyno? 
 
Nolva should be sufficient enough to combat this?


That post doesn't make sense.
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Re: Gyno during M1T / 6 Bromo hindering gains 2014/10/16 19:59:31 (permalink)
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dao1
Im right in saying though that after ive finished my cycle my PCT has to be on point as  my natty levels may rebound hard, in tern causing gyno? 
 
Nolva should be sufficient enough to combat this?


That post doesn't make sense.




It does not. I disregarded the parts that don't in my response. :-)
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Re: Gyno during M1T / 6 Bromo hindering gains 2014/10/16 21:14:20 (permalink)
Hey guys sorry for the miss understanding. let me try and explain what i mean.
 
so whilst on my cycle my natural testosterone levels will be suppressed due to the artificial testosterone in my system.
 
On completion of my cycle no longer will i be using artificial testosterone and neither will my body be producing it naturally (due to it being suppressed) ? therefore im assuming from  what ive read the estrogen levels will be much higher then test levels? causing Gyno?
 
Nolva will help increase my Naturally test levels that my body produces ????
 
Please tell me if im wrong?
 
Ive gathered this info on a Steroid discussion and not a PH discussion so feel free to tell me im wrong and guide me in the right direction
 
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Re: Gyno during M1T / 6 Bromo hindering gains 2014/10/16 21:20:05 (permalink)
Yup
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Re: Gyno during M1T / 6 Bromo hindering gains 2014/10/16 21:41:37 (permalink)
That's correct. And in the interim, Nolvadex is also a SERM and will block gyno effects of the increased estro.
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Re: Gyno during M1T / 6 Bromo hindering gains 2014/10/17 02:05:18 (permalink)
Its all about balance and ratios
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Re: Gyno during M1T / 6 Bromo hindering gains 2014/10/17 02:05:19 (permalink)
Its all about balance and ratios
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Re: Gyno during M1T / 6 Bromo hindering gains 2014/10/17 09:10:52 (permalink)
cheers for the responses guys much appreciated.
 
still in two minds weather to run SD or M1T im very aware that M1T is much more potent so i may be runing before i can walk. likely hood is i may test my tolerance  with SD 
 
decisions ... decisions ......... decisions 
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Re: Gyno during M1T / 6 Bromo hindering gains 2014/10/17 09:41:48 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby KS_Manchester 2014/10/17 10:51:58
Natty test levels don't "rebound" unless you use a lot of HCG. SERM or AI therapy may push your test production above normal but not to a point that creates trouble.
 
Since testosterone is the main source of estrogen in men, estrogen will not be high when testosterone is low, it just doesn't happen. What may happen is an increased sensitivity to estrogen after a cycle with no estrogen at all, to the point where even your normal estrogen levels cause gyno.
 
Nothing that can't be prevented by simply tapering off the nolva gradually over a few more weeks as you finish your PCT.
post edited by Uriel - 2014/10/17 11:45:56
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Re: Gyno during M1T / 6 Bromo hindering gains 2014/10/17 10:52:37 (permalink)
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Natty test levels don't "rebound" unless you use a lot of HCG. SERM or AI therapy may push your test production above normal but to a point that creates trouble.
 
Since testosterone is the main source of estrogen in men, estrogen will not be high when testosterone is low, it just doesn't happen. What may happen is an increased sensitivity to estrogen after a cycle with no estrogen at all, to the point where even your normal estrogen levels cause gyno.
 
Nothing that can't be prevented by simply tapering off the nolva gradually over a few more weeks as you finish your PCT.


Well said.

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Re: Gyno during M1T / 6 Bromo hindering gains 2014/10/17 12:19:03 (permalink)
m1t is better all round imho
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Re: Gyno during M1T / 6 Bromo hindering gains 2014/10/17 21:54:21 (permalink)
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m1t is better all round imho




Totally agree. Don't waste a cycle on SD when you could take M1T. M1T is better, imho.
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Re: Gyno during M1T / 6 Bromo hindering gains 2014/10/18 04:00:51 (permalink)
SD is great for mass, but makes you feel like death shat in your soul.
M1t was fun.
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Re: Gyno during M1T / 6 Bromo hindering gains 2014/10/20 22:23:37 (permalink)
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SD is great for mass, but makes you feel like death shat in your soul.
M1t was fun.




Yep. WAY better feeling and way more fun, M1T. Plus with equal or better results across the board than SD (in my experience). WAY better strength gains for sure.
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