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2014/10/29 13:41:31 (permalink)

Gyno rebound from Mdien

Have just felt a small lump slightly right of my right nipple after finishing my pct 2 weeks ago.
 
I have Nolva and 6-bromo to hand. Could someone advise me on how long and how much of each i should use to get shot of it?
Tampering down etc.
 
Didnt have so much as a sore or sensitive nipple on cycle which i found strange yet now this happens.
 
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    Re: Gyno rebound from Mdien 2014/10/29 14:31:30 (permalink)
    You sure it's gyno?  It is normal to have some lumps in the underlying tissue, some people get too worried about gyno and start prodding around too much, mistaking muscle and normal tissue for boob glands!
     
    Also, if you poke around yer milk taps too much you can make them puffy which fuels pseudo-gyno.
     
    Not saying the gyno monster hasn't reared it's fugly little head, it's just best to be sure.
     
    As for running those compounds, if it were me I'd lay off the 6B and run Nolva at 20mg for a month, see if it makes any difference.  I do use 6B in PCT but Nolva is going to be most beneficial, no point using 6B unnecessarily.
    post edited by rokkus3 - 2014/10/29 14:32:52

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    Re: Gyno rebound from Mdien 2014/10/29 14:33:49 (permalink)
    Also, tingling nips aren't always present with early stage gyno but it is common.  Some folk never know until it's too late.

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    Re: Gyno rebound from Mdien 2014/10/29 14:48:12 (permalink)
    I know what you are saying and i have been prodding it which has made it tender but im pretty sure that it wasnt there before. Comparing it to the other one there is definitely a lump. Dont have any other symptoms apart from the actual pea size lump.
    Do you reckon i should start nolva straight away taking the better safe than sorry route?
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    Re: Gyno rebound from Mdien 2014/10/29 15:34:26 (permalink)
    What PCT protocol did you follow?

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    Re: Gyno rebound from Mdien 2014/10/29 16:32:45 (permalink)
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    What PCT protocol did you follow?

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    Recommend 40/20/20/10/10/5/5/5
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    Re: Gyno rebound from Mdien 2014/10/29 16:37:48 (permalink)
    Exactly. But assuming 20/20/10/10 was used.. will find out when OP responds.

    I am doing 40/20/20/20/10/10/5/5 and feeling gooood. Kept gains and some

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    Re: Gyno rebound from Mdien 2014/10/29 17:32:33 (permalink)
    Used 20/20/20eod/20eod/20e3d/20e3d
     
    Have kept all my gains and strength just noticed last night that this little lump has come up
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    Re: Gyno rebound from Mdien 2014/10/29 17:34:51 (permalink)
    There you go.

    How long was your mdien cycle?

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    Re: Gyno rebound from Mdien 2014/10/29 17:40:36 (permalink)
    50 days
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    Re: Gyno rebound from Mdien 2014/10/29 18:37:03 (permalink)
    longer PCT imho. at least as long as your cycle, but probably still longer even if you did a 33.3day-er. my opinion. run some more nolva.
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    Re: Gyno rebound from Mdien 2014/10/29 19:16:22 (permalink)
    Should i just run it at 20mg a day for 4 weeks and see if the lump subsides?
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    Re: Gyno rebound from Mdien 2014/10/29 19:59:46 (permalink)
    Yes. Then run 2 weeks at 10mg (half tabs)

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    Re: Gyno rebound from Mdien 2014/10/29 20:59:20 (permalink)
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    Yes. Then run 2 weeks at 10mg (half tabs)

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    I'd personally still aim to trickle off. Maybe 40/20/20/10/5/5 or something.
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    Re: Gyno rebound from Mdien 2014/10/30 10:05:31 (permalink)
    Don't see any point in chopping nolva into 10mg, I'd just gobble 20mg/day for a minimum of a month, probably longer.
     
    Treating gyno is a drawn out process and whatever you do, you need to make sure you continue your self-medication beyond when you think the lump has gone.
     
    FWIW standard pct for most ph cycles would be 3-4 weeks of 40mg nolva for first few days to a week and then 20mg from there until end.  Tapering nolva isn't worth the hassle, once it's out of your system it's out and you're better off having a decent supply in your blood stream.  Once Nolva stops, breast tissue can form once again.  The key point is to make sure that your estrogen is in check for when you do stop, you shouldn't have rebound unless you're still carrying too much E2.
     
    There was a discussion about pct dosing protocols on here a month or so ago with people offering many different strategies to nolva dosing.  I don't believe that any more than 20mg is necessary to do it's job, with a half life that (supposedly) last days, you should have more than adequate serum levels of anti-moob goodness running through your veins at this dose, even more so if you overlap the last week of your cycle with first week of 20mg Nolva dosing.
     

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    Re: Gyno rebound from Mdien 2014/10/30 10:09:38 (permalink)
    I should add... I say using Nolva for a month because you have caught your possible gyno at an early stage (assuming that it is from your recent cycle and not from previous ph's) and early-stage is the easiest to reverse.
     
    There's a good chance you will have to run nolva longer.
     
    I should also mention that this is just what I would do in my case, obviously I'm not a Dr nor do I have any experience other than my own to go from.  If you're really worried, drop into your GP clinic and either fess up to your self-medications or tell them you've always had slight moobs since teens and it's getting worse.
     

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    Re: Gyno rebound from Mdien 2014/10/30 10:24:22 (permalink)
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    What PCT protocol did you follow?

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    Recommend 40/20/20/10/10/5/5/5


    You contradict yourself. You replied to me when asking about protocols for nolva and/or Clomid, to do 20/20/10/10 for nolva.
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    Re: Gyno rebound from Mdien 2014/10/30 10:46:36 (permalink)
    I thought M-Dien didnt cause gyno
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    Re: Gyno rebound from Mdien 2014/10/30 10:52:19 (permalink)
    @ Lancs People do change up their PCT strategies for different cycles but I think halving pills on Nolva is a tad excessive.  
     
    I'd stick with Ancal's original advice, maybe 20/20/20/10 depending on cycle length and whatever you were running.  
     
    IMO 20mg is the most suitable dose, unless you're absolutely huge then it will do its job just fine until you stop it (where it will taper itself due to the long half life).
     
    If you have 10mg pills then no reason not to have a final week at that dose but splitting down to 5mg or 2.5mg is just inane!
    post edited by rokkus3 - 2014/10/30 10:53:52

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    Re: Gyno rebound from Mdien 2014/10/30 13:52:15 (permalink)
    Now the chances are I'm about to be corrected here but the gyno caused by M-dien is due to elevated prolactin and progesterone levels.  I had a lump appear during my M-dien cycle that went away afetr I started Nolva.  My libido was destroyed aswell so after I looked into it a bit more I started taking macuna pruriens powder and Vitamin B6 which creates more Dopamine which in turn controls Prolactin and Progestrone.  It could have been a coincidence but after a few days my libido started to come back and after a few weeks I was randy as hell again.
     
    I'm not very good at understanding the technical stuff so I'm now waiting to be told I'm wrong

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