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2015/01/18 09:11:19 (permalink)
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HCG ONLY FOR PCT ? RICH PIANA

So ive been watching alot of rich piana on youtube, he says he uses 5000iu hcg eod or e3d i cant remember to match the amount of gear hes been using for 3 weeks and that gets the balls back and working.
for a norm 500mg test cycle he says 1500iu e5d.
what are your thoughts on this lads ?
ive never used hcg, i know you need to mix it with bac water, but how do you inject it ? slin into fat ?
 
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Re: HCG ONLY FOR PCT ? RICH PIANA 2015/01/18 10:11:30 (permalink)
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Rich Piana is a bro. HCG dose is completely independent of how much gear you're on, as anything over 100mg or so of test per week will shut you down 100%. You could use 10 grams of gear that you can't be shut down more than 100%.
 
Do not use 5000IUs of HCG at a time, it's not only unnecessary but will desensitize your testicles and over time can lead to primary hypogonadism. Hell maybe after doing it for years that's why Rich needs that much, his balls are dead from excessive HCG and need that much to respond.
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Re: HCG ONLY FOR PCT ? RICH PIANA 2015/01/18 10:29:46 (permalink)
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So would hcg only be a good pct ? 1500 iu e5d for 3 weeks [4 shots] dosnt seem a lot ?
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Re: HCG ONLY FOR PCT ? RICH PIANA 2015/01/18 10:58:03 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby BICOS 2015/01/20 21:04:05
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It's not really ideal no. Basically there are two stages to PCT: getting your luteinizing hormone production back to normal, and getting your testicles producing testosterone again in response to this luteinizing hormone. For both, there is some refractory period (ie after you stop whatever is suppressing it, it takes some time for production to restart, and then it starts gradually rather than jumping right back to normal levels).
 
HCG mimics LH and forcefully gets your balls working again. However luteinizing hormone production will remain suppressed, just as if you were still on gear. Once you stop the HCG, your testosterone production will crash again very quickly, and won't start until your pituitary starts producing LH again.
 
HCG is helpful towards recovery because while the testicles atrophy (and can take months to regain full functionality), the pituitary doesn't so it recovers much faster. But it still takes a couple of weeks from the time the suppressive effect is removed to when the pituitary is producing LH again in full blast, so if you use only HCG for PCT you'll still go through a couple of weeks with no testosterone in you. When LH production starts, the testicles respond immediately thanks to the HCG having gotten them back up to speed (the two weeks passed aren't enough for them to atrophy again - which is why the use of PCT at all for very short cycles is questionable IMHO).
 
A thorough PCT should include a SERM or AI because these will stimulate LH production (so long as nothing is suppressing it too much). If you're on some nolvadex when you stop the HCG your LH production will bounce back more quickly.
 
1500IUs of HCG e5d is fine.
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Re: HCG ONLY FOR PCT ? RICH PIANA 2015/01/18 11:32:38 (permalink)
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thanks very helpful, ive just done 3mth test and about to add tren for another 3 mth, my pct was going to be nolva and aromasim,  but was thinking of using letro instead of aro because its stronger and costs less.
1 week after last jab, 40mg nolva for 2weeks then 20mg 4weeks, 1 letro ed for 1st week then 1 eod for 2 weeks.
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Re: HCG ONLY FOR PCT ? RICH PIANA 2015/01/18 11:34:06 (permalink)
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No need to use both, in fact using nolva reduces the effects of letro. 
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Re: HCG ONLY FOR PCT ? RICH PIANA 2015/01/18 11:35:54 (permalink)
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what would you surgest, letro for 2-3weeks then nolva after ?
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Re: HCG ONLY FOR PCT ? RICH PIANA 2015/01/18 12:38:04 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby BICOS 2015/01/20 21:04:38
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If you have enough nolva to do 40/40/20/20/20/20 I wouldn't use the letro at all.
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Re: HCG ONLY FOR PCT ? RICH PIANA 2015/01/20 21:16:40 (permalink)
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can get more nolva not a prob so ill do that thanks, i am using 40mg nolva on cycle now because of gyno, did 4 weeks letro before this dont no if this makes a diff ? ill drop down to 20mg wen i drop the test down and add tren next week.
so should i stop the nolva for the week after last jab then start again or just up it to 40mg 1 week after last jab ?
if i can get hold of some hcg ill give that a go aswell.
thanks for ur advice m8 much apreciated.
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Re: HCG ONLY FOR PCT ? RICH PIANA 2015/04/29 20:17:10 (permalink)
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nearly time to start pct, had last shot of tren on monday and have tappered down the tren over a few weeks from 525mg to last shot being 100mg, test e has been at 100mg for 3 mths and will have 1 more shot of test this monday coming then start pct the following monday.
nolva 40/40/20/20/20/20
hcg ive got is 3x 2000iu so was thinking of 2000iu then 1000iu e5d after so 5 shots in total, would this be ok ? and when would you start the hcg ?
thanks guys.
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Re: HCG ONLY FOR PCT ? RICH PIANA 2015/04/30 19:39:06 (permalink)
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rich as got years of practical experience id say what he says is very credible
 
he uses 5000iu hcg eod while hes off cycle and keeps looking insane so id say his protocol is quite sound

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Re: HCG ONLY FOR PCT ? RICH PIANA 2015/05/01 11:56:40 (permalink)
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Rich Piana's breaks are not breaks. 
 
He's never been off.
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