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2009/07/24 00:31:58 (permalink)
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HELLLLPPP...

im new, looking for some advice on steroids..
maybe looking to start a course with them, just looking for more size
have been training hard for about 18 months just with protein shakes. really good diet. 

want to take things to the next level now, what would be a good starting point?

cheers for any feedback guys, much appreciated!

BRYAN.
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    Luccabertone
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    Re:HELLLLPPP... 2009/07/24 00:38:17 (permalink)
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    For a 1st i would always advise an oral cycle 1st, probbaly DBol for 6weeks at 30mg, whats your age m8?


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    Re:HELLLLPPP... 2009/07/24 00:43:47 (permalink)
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    Im 21, 5ft 10, weigh about 80kg

    workout about 5 days a week & do quite alot of cardio
    do you not do cardio during a cycle?
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    Re:HELLLLPPP... 2009/07/24 00:48:49 (permalink)
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    Cardio isn't normally advised during a cycle m8 as there are various factors that will affect it such shin splints high bp etc, also if your goal is to bulk you don't want be burning the cals on cardio imo

    Have you got your pct sorted ?


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    Re:HELLLLPPP... 2009/07/24 00:53:31 (permalink)
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    to be honest mate i only came across wot pct was a few minutes ago, is that something you need to do at the end on the cycle? 
    is injecting not for beginners? 

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    Re:HELLLLPPP... 2009/07/24 01:41:24 (permalink)
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    You can inject if you want to mate, all up to you really. You're first cycle options are inject: week 1-10 with testosterone at 500 mg per week or as above with Dianabol at week 1-6 at 30mg per day. Some find that orals can make them feel a bit lethargic, others love the way they feel, we don't really advise that you mix them for your first cycle so you can see how well they work in your second cycle.

    PCT should be a SERM (Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator) such as Nolvaldex (tamoxifen) or Clomid. Tamoxifen dose.. day 1 60 mg day 2-11 40 mg and 11-21 20 mg, this will help restart your natural testosterone after your cycle and help keep your gains. Start PCT 14 days afetr a testosterone such as enanthate or cypionate or 21 days after sustanon, the following day after the last dose of dbol. 
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    Re:HELLLLPPP... 2009/07/24 01:44:48 (permalink)
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    Least your honest lol, Steroids are not for you just yet m8, you need to do alot more research on them and the potentialy serious sideffects they come with

    unless you really want to mess yourself up i would steer clear of injectables and orals till you have abit more knowledge under your belt, It seems preachey i no but trust me this is the way to do it,

    Go back to forum head and look at the articles at the top of the page everything u need to know is there


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    Re:HELLLLPPP... 2009/07/24 01:49:59 (permalink)
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    Bryan -

    personally I think oral only cycles suck. The results tend to be less keep-able than injectables, and, ironically, they're harder on your health (not good for the liver). plenty of people swear by them though - horses for courses i guess

    a standard beginner cycle is 500mg/week testosterone, usually either test enanthate or (my favourite) sustanon for 10-12 weeks

    reason its a standard is that for the vast majority of people the results are very good and the side effects quite minimal

    and by all means keep cardio going when on cycle (maybe not loads if you're bulking, but some) - helps to keep fat gain to a minimum, and maintains a reasonable level of cardio-vascular fitness

    cycle like that, if diet and training is right, will easily get you 10-20lbs of (keepable!) lean gains

    best beginner pct would be nolvadex (tamoxifen) starting 2 weeks after last injection (for test e, 3 weeks after for sust) run 80mg for the first couple of day to get blood levels up, then 40mg/day for a couple of weeks then 20 for a week or two.

    simple, effective and to the point


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    Re:HELLLLPPP... 2009/07/24 10:52:26 (permalink)
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    is it a case of speaking to people who wud be in the kno, rather than ordering anything online?
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    Re:HELLLLPPP... 2009/07/24 10:54:25 (permalink)
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    What are your goals?
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    Re:HELLLLPPP... 2009/07/24 11:17:10 (permalink)
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    i just want more size to me, maybe a stone or 2 more in muscle would be ideal
    what do you recon firest0rm? 

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    post edited by PartyBoy - 2009/07/24 19:56:41
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    Re:HELLLLPPP... 2009/07/24 11:24:03 (permalink)
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    A stone or 2 is a lot. You should put on a decent amount of size with your 1st cycle but be prepared to loose some of this after you've run and  finished PCT
    post edited by PartyBoy - 2009/07/24 19:57:01
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    Re:HELLLLPPP... 2009/07/24 13:25:07 (permalink)
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    Well if you're doing a lot of cardio even with steroids you'll struggle to put on a lot of weight. Have you tried tinkering with your diet and cardio?
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    Re:HELLLLPPP... 2009/07/24 19:12:33 (permalink)
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    i can drop the cardio down to a minimum, thats no big deal. 
    think im just looking for a good first cycle that can make the hard work pay off abit more.

    does everyone run a cycle then hav abit of time off it then do it again etc etc..

    or can you run 1 or 2 cycles and keep the muscle for good... provided your training hard?

    cheers 
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