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2007/06/19 00:17:37 (permalink)
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HELP!!!

Since coming off a long course of Test Prop and Tren (2weeks ago) my nuts have shrunk dramatically, I have been on holiday for a week during those 2weeks since saturday tho I have felt wierd and my weight has dropped from 14st 1 down to 13st 11 is this rite? I went to doctors and she sent me for blood tests 2day and also gave a stool sample (poo) allong with urine will they notice straight away my test levels are below standard??
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    pulitu
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    RE: HELP!!! 2007/06/19 00:20:15 (permalink)
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    did u do a pct?


     
     
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    RE: HELP!!! 2007/06/19 00:33:28 (permalink)
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    not yet.. i got told u leave it about 3 weeks however i was tempted to just go back on?
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    RE: HELP!!! 2007/06/19 00:47:22 (permalink)
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    anyone knw wat the hospital will think, can they tell i been using steroids from the blood or wud they assume i have low test levels??
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    RE: HELP!!! 2007/06/19 00:47:53 (permalink)
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    it seems to me you have not done enough research mate - not flamin u or anythin but it's your body.

    what tren are you using acetate or enanthate?

    if tren acetate and test prop pct should have started 4 days after last injection.
    if tren enanthate was used I would have stopped tren 2 weeks before prop and then pct 4 days after last injection.

    for nut shrinkage hcg is used but before at least a week before you start pct.

    have a read of these mate

    http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/article-trenbolone.aspx
    http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/article-steroid-half-life.aspx
    http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/article-beginners-steroids-faq.aspx
    http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/clomid-hcg.aspx

    i wouldnt even consider jumping back on specially as you said it's been a long course. It can take you months/years to recover if not done properly.

    i hope this helps. my advice is to read those articles then post back any questions u mite have.

    good luck


     
     
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    RE: HELP!!! 2007/06/19 01:02:39 (permalink)
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    So my best step now is to grab some HCG and get that flowin thru me, can u advise me on this??
    my course was 3 shots of tren 3 shots of prop per week and my last shot was just coming up 2weeks ago?
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    RE: HELP!!! 2007/06/19 01:33:36 (permalink)
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    i cannot be sure but if you were shooting tren 3 times a week it probably was acetate so ideally pct should have started earlier.

    but ... as there's no use crying over spilt milk


    i'm just gonna tell you what i would do in your shoes ... (IMHO read up nd do more research)

    i would start 500ius HCG ed + 20mg nolvadex ed for 1 week

    wait another week

    then do standard pct protocol

    Day 1 - 60mg nolvadex, 200mg clomid
    Day 2-11 - 40mg nolvadex, 100mg clomid
    Day12-22- 20mg nolvadex, 50mg clomid

    i know doses may be a bit high but i think that's best to get your soldiers workin again

    others may disagree .... maybe more experienced users can help you.


    anywayz best of luck m8


     
     
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    RE: HELP!!! 2007/06/19 12:34:50 (permalink)
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    Cheers bro i'll give that a try.............
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    RE: HELP!!! 2007/06/19 12:41:54 (permalink)
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    wat about if i jump on another course of test 4 like 8weeks it will provide sum test to my body then do my pct properly??
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    RE: HELP!!! 2007/06/19 13:02:34 (permalink)
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    hi mate - some weight loss is to be expected.
    As long as your diet is up to scratch then most of this should just be lost water retention.

    If it were me i would blast 1500ui HGC today, then again in 3 days , then again 3 days after that.
    would wait a week and run a standard pct protocol.

    as mentioned above tho bro, try and get it planned better next time - the difference in results from a planned cycle can be dramatic !!
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    RE: HELP!!! 2007/06/19 14:08:07 (permalink)
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    If it were me i would blast 1500ui HGC today, then again in 3 days , then again 3 days after that.
    would wait a week and run a standard pct protocol.



    hi andy .. is it better 1500ius every third day or 500ius ed? i'd rather shoot 1500ius every three days than 500ius ed ... less hassle - but from the pct article

    The typically observed dosing of 2000 to 5000IU every 4 to 5 days causes such an increase in oestrogen levels via aromatisation of the natural testosterone that this has been responsible for many cases of gynecomastia


    Smaller doses, more frequently during a cycle will give best overall results with least unwanted side effects. Somewhere between 500IU and 1000IU per day would be best over about a two-week period. These doses are sufficient to avoid/rectify testicular atrophy without increasing oestrogen levels too dramatically and risking gynecomastia. This dosing schedule also avoids the risk of permanently down-regulating the LH receptors in the testes.


    which do you think is better?

    thnx m8


     
     
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    RE: HELP!!! 2007/06/19 14:17:26 (permalink)
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    ideally , smaller doses throughout cycle would be better.

    but seeing as you have finished cycle. what i have outlined abouve should have the little fellas back to a decent size as u start pct
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    RE: HELP!!! 2007/06/19 14:18:23 (permalink)
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    oh, and it can be a right pain splitting and keeping the hormone when reconstituted
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    RE: HELP!!! 2007/06/19 14:22:10 (permalink)
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    ideally , smaller doses throughout cycle would be better.

    but seeing as you have finished cycle.


    i havent' lool i'm not the OP. im currently in week 10 and am doin 4500ius this week and another 4500ius in week 12.

    it can be a pain storing them but i divided 1ml in 3 slin pins.



     
     
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    RE: HELP!!! 2007/06/19 14:29:26 (permalink)
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    Andy - Cud I just go back on to say a course of sust n dec???
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    RE: HELP!!! 2007/06/19 14:31:54 (permalink)
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    u can do watever you want m8 .... u'll just take longer to recover once u come off.


    at the end of the day, its your choice and best of luck in what u choose to do


     
     
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    RE: HELP!!! 2007/06/19 14:39:06 (permalink)
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    havent' lool i'm not the OP


    lolz sorry bro - doing 10 things at once !!

    iv been on for a long time now bro and whenever the little fellas start to get too little i do what i blast 1500ui every 3rd day , for 2 weeks , or until size returns.

    large doses can be bad, so small doese are better, but where do u draw the line ??

    1ui every 10 seconds ?? lolol

    iv never had a problem doing what im doing but everyones different and i simply offer my experience !!

    at stevo6969 - of course u could mate but this is the top of a very slippery slope.
    ie - you dont really want to come off and face recovery now . . so imagine if u stay on another 12 weeks . . how will u feel about facing a worse recovery then ??

    trust me mate, u dont want to end up like me - dreading doing pct so bad - gotta come soon tho :(
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    RE: HELP!!! 2007/06/19 17:01:59 (permalink)
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    Im gonna wait till thurs when my results from blood tests r thru no point bangin more stuff in if i have a problem will make it worse??
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