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Re: Halo'd be thy name. - My Halo Trial complete with bloodwork 2018/09/26 16:38:23 (permalink)
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Looks like pct treated you very well. List some weight (water) list a little around the belly but kept the size increases where it matters.

My limited understanding is E and Test can rise and fall hand in hand so hopefully as your Test returns to normal levels so will the E.

Look at that Free Test!!! Shame you can't keep that permanently.

Rewind 6 months and I still think a nice Epi cycle whilst cutting should be a good next step. Having said that Halo treated you well so that could also work but I know you like to try new things.

Pretty sure nolva sends a message back that estrogen is low to make the body produce test to convert to estrogen so both should be a little high.
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Re: Halo'd be thy name. - My Halo Trial complete with bloodwork 2018/09/27 07:44:16 (permalink)
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Excellent write up as always Mate. Happy to see you recovered nicely and all is on point👍

 
Thanks bud. Glad you enjoyed it.
 

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Looks like pct treated you very well. List some weight (water) list a little around the belly but kept the size increases where it matters.

My limited understanding is E and Test can rise and fall hand in hand so hopefully as your Test returns to normal levels so will the E.

Look at that Free Test!!! Shame you can't keep that permanently.

Rewind 6 months and I still think a nice Epi cycle whilst cutting should be a good next step. Having said that Halo treated you well so that could also work but I know you like to try new things.

 
Cheers mate. Yeah all my PCTs so far have been good to me. Only mild lethargy at the first week or so but then we are cooking. That's my understanding of test/estrogen too.... they are in ratio.
 
I think you are on the money with cutting now. I am almost back at 110kg which is my pre-osta weight, so have put all that 15kg I lost back on. And it's starting to show. I am debating on how to go about it though. My options are attempt a slow cut for the next few months and then jump back onto osta for a few more months, or maintain for now and then do a heavy cut when on the halo. The downside to option two is my planned experiment results will be different on a cut. Downside to option one is I risk losing muscle and probably strength over a long a period of time. Thoughts?
 
TBH I will probably just keep using Halo from now as I know how I respond to it, and I can confidently predict how my blood results are going without repeating blood tests.
 

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Really good read again Brett ,it’s been a better suited compound I think than heavy toxic SD cycle ,I think thats why a lot of people prefer this kind of run slow and steady keepable gains than a short explosive one ,that leaves you a little short changed aft PCT, nolva has a positive impact on lipids and will pretty much get them back in range on its own ,add a little cardio and healthy fats and they will be good again in no time.

 
Cheers bud. Definitely the way forward for me. As said I have a tub of SD left so will probably run that again and bridge it with something less suppressive, but I doubt I'll buy it again. Glad you enjoyed it.

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Re: Halo'd be thy name. - My Halo Trial complete with bloodwork 2018/09/27 07:46:33 (permalink)
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Looks like pct treated you very well. List some weight (water) list a little around the belly but kept the size increases where it matters.

My limited understanding is E and Test can rise and fall hand in hand so hopefully as your Test returns to normal levels so will the E.

Look at that Free Test!!! Shame you can't keep that permanently.

Rewind 6 months and I still think a nice Epi cycle whilst cutting should be a good next step. Having said that Halo treated you well so that could also work but I know you like to try new things.

Pretty sure nolva sends a message back that estrogen is low to make the body produce test to convert to estrogen so both should be a little high.



That pretty much sums it up mate from what I know on the subject. Nolva obviously has the additional benefit of stopping the estrogen related effects on selective tissues (eg. gyno.) Obviously doesn't prevent other high-estrogen related issues though that aren't so readily seen.

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Re: Halo'd be thy name. - My Halo Trial complete with bloodwork 2018/09/27 09:29:35 (permalink)
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Just because you have finished PCT does not mean you are fully recovered! So diving into a cut now is silly. And you really don’t need to bulk. So maintain

Time on + PCT = time off.. so 11 weeks left.

Maybe wait a month. Let the new muscle settle in.. that’s 6 weeks total post PCT. Then do a hard 8 week cut.

Also have you considered stacking SD and Halo?

That way you run a slightly lower dose of SD for longer (maybe 5 weeks) letting halo help it along.

Nice 8 week cycle..

5 weeks Halo+SD
3 weeks Halo
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Re: Halo'd be thy name. - My Halo Trial complete with bloodwork 2018/09/27 09:48:30 (permalink)
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Just beat me mate! I listed a few options I'm thinking of on my journal. I'm prepared to wait to cut and stay at maintenance, but only if I have a solid plan in place.
 
What do you mean my hard 8 week cut? What numbers are you talking here?
 
Not considered Halo and SD. Interesting...

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Re: Halo'd be thy name. - My Halo Trial complete with bloodwork 2018/09/27 10:02:43 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby Brett 2018/09/29 17:28:05
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Hard cut.. 25-30% under maintenance(through food or cardio) .. 4 weeks on, 1 week diet break, 4 weeks on.
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Re: Halo'd be thy name. - My Halo Trial complete with bloodwork 2018/10/15 11:32:17 (permalink)
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@Brett:
1-no offence mate, but I don't see any significant change for a two month cycle , is that normal for the compound you used ?! or is it underdosed ?
2-your oestrogen levels seem a bit high 120 and 104 , shouldn't they be in the normal range of a natural man off steroids between 20 to 30 ?! if yes then why didn't you use an ai or serm ?
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Re: Halo'd be thy name. - My Halo Trial complete with bloodwork 2018/10/15 12:32:33 (permalink)
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@Brett:
1-no offence mate, but I don't see any significant change for a two month cycle , is that normal for the compound you used ?! or is it underdosed ?
2-your oestrogen levels seem a bit high 120 and 104 , shouldn't they be in the normal range of a natural man off steroids between 20 to 30 ?! if yes then why didn't you use an ai or serm ?



Hi mate, thanks for reading.
 
That's your opinion and I accept that. The changes are there... subtle, but they are there. I think you can see the biggest difference in the upper arms/shoulder region particularly in the side shot. Go have another look and tell me if you can see it. Admittedly the torso will be harder to see a change due to the added bodyfat. Keep in mind too that these photos are when cold ie. no pump, so the difference may be more subtle. I don't believe the halo was underdosed- I am bigger and stronger now that I ever have been (which isn't much but it's true lol.)
 
I read stories from people saying they got 5 or 10kg from xyz compound etc. etc. Sure, you might be 10kg heavier, but it's not all muscle. I just don't think it's possible to put on 5 or 10kg of actual muscle tissue in an 6-8 week cycle. For my cycle I put on 2.6kg, I can see visible changes, I gained a lot of strength and continued to do so in PCT. In all, I don't think my cycle could have gone any better.
 
As for the E levels. It's my experience having done three nolva PCTs with full blood work that you typically 'overshoot' your natural test levels. Because test converts to E those levels will also be high to maintain that hormonal ratio. I'm typically around the 20 mark. After my SD PCT I was at 30, and estrogen was 56% higher.
 
Here you can see test is at 26.3, which is 24% higher than normal. E is 221, which is 48% higher than my typical level of 115. I'm not concerned, as my body will bring this down naturally as my test goes back down to normal, just like it did after my SD PCT.
 
In short, PCT doesn't bring you back to normal, it just gets the factory in overdrive. You need to wait a little while after before you reach homeostasis.

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Re: Halo'd be thy name. - My Halo Trial complete with bloodwork 2018/10/17 12:26:38 (permalink)
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A serm will also stop estrogen binding to selective receptors so estrogen bound to these receptor will become free again meanining higher levels.
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Re: Halo'd be thy name. - My Halo Trial complete with bloodwork 2018/10/19 15:59:52 (permalink)
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Brett you have nailed it again dude. Love reading your journals buddy.
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Re: Halo'd be thy name. - My Halo Trial complete with bloodwork 2018/10/20 08:22:31 (permalink)
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A serm will also stop estrogen binding to selective receptors so estrogen bound to these receptor will become free again meanining higher levels.

 
Not quite sure that's how it works. IIRC there's estrogen receptor sites all over the body, even your eyeballs. It simply stops E binding with selective tissues eg. breast area, which was why it was good for breast cancer.
 
Whilst you are taking nolva your body is awash with E. It simply blocks some of the negative side effects. You can see my level is still high just two weeks into my 4 week PCT.
 
It tricks the body into thinking it needs more E, so T is pumped out and converted at an excessive rate. Both simply take a little time to come back into normal ranges after cessation of the nolva.
 
 
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Brett you have nailed it again dude. Love reading your journals buddy.

 
Thanks mate! Glad you are enjoying them.

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Re: Halo'd be thy name. - My Halo Trial complete with bloodwork 2018/12/27 02:50:37 (permalink)
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Hey Brett, great read mate. You listed the Halo and Tudca specs you used but I was wondering if you could let us know the details for the nolva you used?
 
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Re: Halo'd be thy name. - My Halo Trial complete with bloodwork 2018/12/27 06:32:37 (permalink)
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Hey Brett, great read mate. You listed the Halo and Tudca specs you used but I was wondering if you could let us know the details for the nolva you used?
 
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Thanks mate glad you took from it!

The brand was Genox 20. It is pharma grade stuff. I don’t think it’s really faked much TBH as it’s fairly cheap and available everywhere some countries over the counter.

Best of luck bud.

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Re: Halo'd be thy name. - My Halo Trial complete with bloodwork 2018/12/31 03:13:06 (permalink)
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Cheers for the answer mate. Haha thanks for the well wishes, trying to set myself up for my first run at prohormones.
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Re: Halo'd be thy name. - My Halo Trial complete with bloodwork 2019/01/01 07:31:02 (permalink)
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Cheers for the answer mate. Haha thanks for the well wishes, trying to set myself up for my first run at prohormones.



No worries only thing I will add is to be aware of the potential side effects (I'm talking long term as well) from using nolva and the like in PCT.
 

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