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Have to cut a T-Bol only cycle short, advice pls

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2014/10/21 07:59:11 (permalink)

Have to cut a T-Bol only cycle short, advice pls

Hi guys,

I've been running oral tbol only 80mg ed for the past 4 weeks and I was planning on running it for 8 wks with nolva (and clen) pct at 40mg ed for 1wk followed by 20mg ed for 1 wk.

I've just been told by work that I need to travel on business between 5th-12th November (2 weeks tomorrow for 1 week).

What should I do?

If I carry on with the tbol then I'll be in week 6 by the time the trip comes around. Should I stop it now and run 2x wks of nolva or go another week and run 1 wk of nolva given that it would only have been a 5 wk cycle.

Thoughts?
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    Re: Have to cut a T-Bol only cycle short, advice pls 2014/10/21 08:51:17 (permalink)
    personally i'd up the dose now and do pct while away
     
    btw pct is 3 weeks of nolvadex and personally i doubt you'll recover at all with only one week - shut down is shut down mate, one week and likely 2 weeks simply will not cut it
     
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    Re: Have to cut a T-Bol only cycle short, advice pls 2014/10/21 17:51:50 (permalink)
    Up the dose to what? 100 ed until end of week 6 then 3 weeks nolva?
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    Re: Have to cut a T-Bol only cycle short, advice pls 2014/10/21 21:14:22 (permalink)
    really depends on how many you have left and when you want to stop. just divide the remaining tabs by the number of days till you want to stop and there's your dose. i would normally run tbol at 120-140mg so don't worry about going higher than 100mg, all that's going to happen is you'll gain more in a shorter period of time. tbol has basically no side effects to note.
     
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    Re: Have to cut a T-Bol only cycle short, advice pls 2014/10/21 22:12:03 (permalink)
    I'd just take the week off and continue when I got back. One week without steroids in your blood won't kill you.
     
    A two week PCT really isn't worth doing. Even four weeks is short IMHO.
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    Re: Have to cut a T-Bol only cycle short, advice pls 2014/10/22 00:19:00 (permalink)
    one week with no steroids - when he's taking such a fast acting med - is a ****ing disaster man. he'll have no testosterone, no tbol and only estrogen in his system. he'll be a mess when he gets back, both physically and emotionally.
     
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    Re: Have to cut a T-Bol only cycle short, advice pls 2014/10/22 07:45:42 (permalink)
    Estrogen from what? He'll have nothing at all, for the most at least because on the first few days something always lingers.
     
    Which for one week isn't all that bad, it's all I'm saying'. He'll probably be even longer than that with no steroids in his blood once he starts PCT. Nolva is not a gonadotropin, until the HPTA starts producing LH on its own you can blast away 500mg of nolva a day that your testosterone will still be zero.
     
    I've come off orals cold turkey before and for the first week I didn't notice much at all. The negative effects of being shut down become more apparent over time.
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    Re: Have to cut a T-Bol only cycle short, advice pls 2014/10/22 13:14:03 (permalink)
    Have to agree with above, there will be no estro as there is nothing to convert to estro. Tbol does not convert to estrogen like testosterone does. Also he will have zero testosterone in him anyway as tbol will shut you down completely and he’s running it solo.
     
    Personally I cannot understand why people do not run a small amount of test alongside their meds, its cheap and will have you feeling normal.
     
    Tbol only was the worst cycle I’ve done, I will not ever run a cycle without a minimum of 150mg test along side any other meds ever again.
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    Re: Have to cut a T-Bol only cycle short, advice pls 2014/10/23 00:25:42 (permalink)
    sorry guys but i thought our body produced both estrogen and testosterone. when taking gear you substitute the test for exogenous test but your body still produces it's own estrogen on top of the aromatized testosterone produced estrogen. as nothing has aromatized in this cycle your body has had no reason to shut down it's own estrogen production because there is not millions of it coming from aromatized test so when he stops the tbol literally the only hormone in his body will be estrogen but then clearly i'm not thinking this through. 
     
    my bad
     
    by all means go without any steroids at all and with no meds to block your bodies own estrogen for a week. wouldn't be me but i'm outvoted 2 to 1. 
     
    btw the reason you take nolvadex during pct is to block estrogen and allow your bodies natural test level to recover before you grow breasts and become obsessed with romcom's. 
     
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    Re: Have to cut a T-Bol only cycle short, advice pls 2014/10/23 05:51:45 (permalink)
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    sorry guys but i thought our body produced both estrogen and testosterone. when taking gear you substitute the test for exogenous test but your body still produces it's own estrogen on top of the aromatized testosterone produced estrogen. as nothing has aromatized in this cycle your body has had no reason to shut down it's own estrogen production because there is not millions of it coming from aromatized test so when he stops the tbol literally the only hormone in his body will be estrogen but then clearly i'm not thinking this through. 
     
    my bad
     
    by all means go without any steroids at all and with no meds to block your bodies own estrogen for a week. wouldn't be me but i'm outvoted 2 to 1. 
     
    btw the reason you take nolvadex during pct is to block estrogen and allow your bodies natural test level to recover before you grow breasts and become obsessed with romcom's. 
     
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    I was also under this impression
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    Re: Have to cut a T-Bol only cycle short, advice pls 2014/10/23 07:43:55 (permalink)
    Only women produce estrogen directly. In men, direct estrogen production is vestigial. Almost all of our estrogen is obtained from testosterone (or any other steroid we might use that also converts to estrogen). That's why in a tbol only cycle, or really any cycle without something that aromatizes, we have no estrogen in us at all.
     
    Post cycle is no different. As natural testosterone production picks up, some of it immediately starts converting to estrogen. But the amount of estrogen is always proportional to the amount of testosterone, since testosterone starts low estrogen also starts low, and only when testosterone is normal again will estrogen be normal again too.
     
    We use SERMs post cycle because they bind to the estrogen receptors in the pituitary (and possibly hypothalamus, not sure on this one), without actually activating them, thus blocking true estrogen from binding. Now our HPTA measures both androgens and estrogens to adjust GnRH/LH production and keep sex hormones within range, and just so happens that estradiol (the estrogen we get from testosterone) is much more suppressive than testosterone. So by blocking it, the HPTA thinks sex hormone levels are much lower than they really are, and increases GnRH/LH output. This is also why if guy with already normal testosterone levels takes a SERM is testosterone production will increase.
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    Re: Have to cut a T-Bol only cycle short, advice pls 2014/10/23 07:51:48 (permalink)
    Uriel
    Only women produce estrogen directly. In men, direct estrogen production is vestigial. Almost all of our estrogen is obtained from testosterone (or any other steroid we might use that also converts to estrogen). That's why in a tbol only cycle, or really any cycle without something that aromatizes, we have no estrogen in us at all.
     
    Post cycle is no different. As natural testosterone production picks up, some of it immediately starts converting to estrogen. But the amount of estrogen is always proportional to the amount of testosterone, since testosterone starts low estrogen also starts low, and only when testosterone is normal again will estrogen be normal again too.
     
    We use SERMs post cycle because they bind to the estrogen receptors in the pituitary (and possibly hypothalamus, not sure on this one), without actually activating them, thus blocking true estrogen from binding. Now our HPTA measures both androgens and estrogens to adjust GnRH/LH production and keep sex hormones within range, and just so happens that estradiol (the estrogen we get from testosterone) is much more suppressive than testosterone. So by blocking it, the HPTA thinks sex hormone levels are much lower than they really are, and increases GnRH/LH output. This is also why if guy with already normal testosterone levels takes a SERM is testosterone production will increase.




    thank you
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    Re: Have to cut a T-Bol only cycle short, advice pls 2014/10/23 19:06:03 (permalink)
    i stand corrected - good post
     
    always though the background estrogen remained
     
    learn something new every day
     
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    Re: Have to cut a T-Bol only cycle short, advice pls 2016/03/03 01:38:25 (permalink)
    uh if you can take nolva with you why not tbol?
     
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