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Havoc cycle cut short: affect PCT?

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2014/12/11 12:03:36 (permalink)

Havoc cycle cut short: affect PCT?

Hi guys
 
(tl;dr at bottom)
 
I've been a lurker here for god knows how many years but only just registered to ask this:
 
background: regular weight lifter since 18 (now 27) and good standard sports since 12/13. 5'11", 86kg, 32" waist (to highlight  BF likelihood without actually measuring!)
 
I know a fair bit about PH/AAS (though due to work, never actually cycled), and having 2/3 months free of work and commitments I gave Havoc a go (as my first cycle; heard that wasn't a fab idea!), intending 20/30/40/40/40. Upon hitting the beginning of the 4th week, the mental sides hit me like a train... no, ****, a plane. A ****ing 747 landed on my balls. I can deal with all sorts of physical sides and mood swings are totally doable for me, but the libido effect smashed me super hard, and thus all further motivation to even breathe just sank. I felt depressed. I was expecting this, don't get me wrong, but I was not expecting to be called up for work (I work in quite a high pressure industry with long hours and heavy workloads). I had a shot at a fantastic job and priorities won over, so I ceased the Havoc in order to attempt to cease or at least calm the emotional sides.
 
I've jumped straight onto PCT (Nolva) as per: final days of Havoc 7x 40mg; 1x 30mg. The night of the 30mg I hit 40mg Nolva. Next day 20mg morning, 40mg night (60mg total). Today 20mg morning, and planning on 20mg tonight (40mg total). The idea behind this (as per advice from an experienced user) was to 'frontload' (unsure if that is the correct situation in which to use that term) while the receptors are still busy with Havoc.
 
By the by, I noticed towards the last two days of Havoc puffiness in the nipples and sensitivity (not pain so to speak but like a very dull light bruising to the inside of both). Just thought you may like to know...
 
My question is:
 
I have been advised two or three different Nolva dosages:
100mg day 1 (seems ridiculous?!), 40mg day 2-10, 20mg day 11-20.
or
60mg two days (which is what I've ended up doing) then 40/40/20/20 by week. <-- this is my planned dosage
or
40/40/20/20 by week.
 
Which is best for my situation? The guys I've spoken to DO know their business BUT they are also heavy users and used to harder compounds and heavier, longer cycles. One guy suggested HCG, which to be honest scared my bollocks back up inside me if anything!
 
Also, a side question: libido is still down (and seriously pissing off and concerning the girlfriend (she still no matter what I say thinks it's her!)) - when can I expect it to kick back up after what is effectively only a 3.5 week cycle?
 
I have to hand also:
 
standard Trib
DAA
Post Cycle Matrix (comprising: cordyceps sinensis concentrate (20% polysaccharides) 450mg; L-Histadine HCI 100mg; Grape Seed Extract (95% Procyanidolic oligomers) 50mg; 6-Bromo Androstane-3, 17 Dione 25mg.)
 
tl;dr -
 
Unsure of Nolva dosage for a 3.5wk (inadvertently cut short) Havoc cycle (20/30/40); started frontload x2 days of 60mg, planning on 40/40/20/20 (with 6Bromo/DAA on wk 2/3 for 4wks) - is that ok or too high for a short cycle? Very slight nipple pain and med/high puffiness; depression; low libido (not really problems GETTING wood just KEEPING it) - when will libido return?
 
Thanks guys! Be as concise as you wish.
post edited by Blenks - 2014/12/11 12:08:50
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    KS_Manchester
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    Re: Havoc cycle cut short: affect PCT? 2014/12/11 14:04:22 (permalink)
    Wow - you are in a flap, and for someone who says they are educated in AAS you seem to know not even the basics. Hmmm

    But anyway, you don't need to hear that.

    PCT for 7 days on PH should be 20/20/10/10 and you're fine.

    Never 60mg in a day, and certainly not 100mg.

    K
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    Re: Havoc cycle cut short: affect PCT? 2014/12/11 15:07:19 (permalink)
    yeah, no point in crazy dosages of nolva, 40mg max, maybe for 2 days, if you feel it serves a purpose. I don't.
    nolva has a 7 day half life, so builds in your system rapidly.
    Epi has an 6-8 hour half life, so ''your receptors being busy'' makes no sense as it clears out withing a day, and AAS and SERMs work on completely different receptors anyway, so don't see why your ''experienced'' user would even mention it, unless, like most''bros'' he has no clue what he is saying, which is apparent from the info he gave you.
     
    pick a more enjoyable drug next time, perhaps dianadrol for you, no estro sides plus the positives of a good libido and mentality boost.
    Or read Karls m4ohn log.
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    Re: Havoc cycle cut short: affect PCT? 2014/12/11 16:59:39 (permalink)
    Well, when I say I'm educated, I mean self-education via forums and having the mental capacity to understand what I'm being told and the way things work. But that may just be the problem - listening to what I'm told. The experienced user is a gym owner and an evident roido. He was almost adamant I should have HCG for this when I spoke to him...
     
    Manchester: when you say I'm in a flap I can understand why, but I may've put across a state of flappiness just to er on the side of caution - rather you think it was worse than better. Can't say I'm greatly chuffed at my mood/state etc, but rereading my post, I'm not quite on the verge of suicide!
     
    So to conclude: having taken 20mg this morning; 40mg last night, 20mg that morning; and 40mg the night before, I should stave off anything further today, then 20mg tomorrow (morning or night?) to begin the 20/20/10/10. I appreciate 60mg is too much, and 40mg is still heavy given the lesser cycle.
     
    Again, thanks for your help.
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    Re: Havoc cycle cut short: affect PCT? 2014/12/11 17:04:11 (permalink)
    60 is too much, 20 mg per day
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    Re: Havoc cycle cut short: affect PCT? 2014/12/11 17:31:53 (permalink)
    No worries blenks.

    You'll be fine, once your natural hormones settle down. Your libido should return.

    K
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