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2009/07/26 18:43:27 (permalink)
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Help please!

Hi Everyone
 
I was wondering if anyone here could give me some advice on the following:
 
I am 26 years old guy, been working out for a couple of years and am now thinking about going for my first cycle of steroids.
 
I wanna go for an oral only cycle, as injecting is just not an option - I'm not looking to gain huge amounts of mass but rather increase in strength, some mass gains and more definition. I have done lots of reading on the net but there isn't much about oral-only cycles - I know that drugs like dbol and anabol are very toxic to the liver and that most gains are lost post cycle. But I was wondering whether Anavar or Tbol would be any good? I understand that they don't aromatise which means my liver wouldn't have too much of a hard time right?
 
Any help would be greatly appreciated on the following:
 
1. effective cycles that would match the above criteria
2. effective PCTs for the said cycles

 
Thanks in advance.
post edited by PartyBoy - 2009/07/26 18:57:06
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    PartyBoy
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    Re:Help please! 2009/07/26 18:56:39 (permalink)
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    Welcome to MT

    gdkay
      I wanna go for an oral only cycle, as injecting is just not an option



    That might have to change as otherwise you are severely restricting your choice of steroids, length of cycles, and increasing risks.


    I'm not looking to gain huge amounts of mass but rather increase in strength, some mass gains and more definition.



    Aren't we all :-))

    More definition requires lowering bodyfat. Lowering bodyfat requires a general calorie deficit. Increasing muscle mass requires a general calorie excess. Therein lies the problem. Trying for both goals will undoubtedly leave you disappointed on both counts. Steroids build muscle; diet and cardio cut fat.


    I have done lots of reading on the net but there isn't much about oral-only cycles - I know that drugs like dbol and anabol are very toxic to the liver



    Almost all orals put the liver under strain. Dose and duration are as important as the choice of oral. Cane these parameters and you'll likely have issues for almost any oral.


    and that most gains are lost post cycle.


    This is crap. People are referring to water bloat here. How anyone can class this as a "gain" to start with is beyond me.


    But I was wondering whether Anavar or Tbol would be any good? I understand that they don't aromatise which means my liver wouldn't have too much of a hard time right?


    Aromatisation is the conversion of testosterone to estrogen. It has nothing to do with the toxicity.


    As for question number 3, please re-read the rules
     

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    Re:Help please! 2009/07/26 18:58:12 (permalink)
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    I wouldn't particularly recommend tbol or var as a standalone cycle. imo, these are secondary steroids that stack with a base, ie testosterone.

    There is nothing inherently wrong with a dianabol cycle

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    Re:Help please! 2009/07/26 20:39:05 (permalink)
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    thanks very much - this is very helpful and sorry about question 3 - just re-read the rules :-)

    So do you think that a dbol only cycle would be effective? Say 4 to 6 weeks maybe?

    thanks again :-)
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    Re:Help please! 2009/07/26 20:45:33 (permalink)
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    Var or tbol for your needs var is gonna hurt the pocket though lol 
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    Re:Help please! 2009/07/26 21:01:08 (permalink)
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    Why no injections mate?

    I'd go with Tbol for 6 weeks if you really don't wanna inject. 
    A simple 3 week Nolva or Clomid PCT should suffice
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    Re:Help please! 2009/07/26 21:14:16 (permalink)
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    Brilliant thanks :-)
     
    had a really nasty scare with injections (medically related) when I was younger so can't really see myself sticking needles anywhere in my body :-S
     
     
    Shyne

    Why no injections mate?

    I'd go with Tbol for 6 weeks if you really don't wanna inject. 
    A simple 3 week Nolva or Clomid PCT should suffice


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    Re:Help please! 2009/07/27 07:20:08 (permalink)

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    Re:Help please! 2009/07/27 07:23:02 (permalink)
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    Dbol or tbol mate along with a good clean diet.
    dbol 30mg ED for 6wks or Tbol 60mg ED for 6wks.
    Standard nolva PCT afterwards.
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