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2019/02/27 17:45:03 (permalink)
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Help with 1st/only cycle

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I'm Male, 30, appx 17 percent bf at min. 5 ft 8. Got another month or so before I want to start my first cycle. I only plan on doing this once. I've never bulked before but lifted weights to help aid weight loss and just to socialise with work buddies for about 4 years. Never done a propper bulk.

Just sort of ****ed around. Although I have cut to appx 15ish percent bf 2 years ago. Never bulked (just put on weight due to **** diet).

I have the following in mind if anyone could critique it in case I missed anything? 
 

So here goes! 

Week 1 to 12 = Test E 250mg E3.5D

Week 1 to 14 = Pregnyl 500ui E3.5D

Week 14 to 20 = Novladex 20mg ED

In addition

Aromasin with a fatty meal throughout the whole cycle. 12.5mg E3.5D

 

 

Eats and workouts

30 percent above TDEE

Was thinking a 40/40/20 split.

I will probably have a cheat meal a week. Nothing huge. Along the lines of rotisserie sweet potato wedges and fillets or wedges etc from Morrisons. Maybe a thin crust pizza. But hardly any take outs as wife still be on diet and don't want to put temptation in her way. Plus it's not good for my diet 🤣

I cut on keto which from what I read won't be ideal for bulking. Which suits me tbh. Its not very varied but best results I've had

Plan for training

5 Days a week

I was thinking along:

1 Day chest/arms

2 Days back and sholders

2 Days legs/core

Reason being

I'm quite big chested. Always had it, and it's one of the things I dislike. It's nothing major. But it's quite round and goes quite in at the middle a lot. Like man boobs. But more rounded/ not saggy/ not much fat and quite firm when I tense, just with a big inner bit in the middle

Also. My shoulders are quite small so I want to build them up more than my arms. Not much meat on my back either

I had a couple questions if anyone can help.
 
 

1.
Do I use the AI ALL the way through? Including PCT? Or do I stop when I stop the HCG? 

2.

Will 12 weeks be enough? I should be starting appx 3rd week in March. As I'm away for two weeks to Florida at the end of June so like to have at least finished pinning by then (not sure if any major sides to look out for that may affect me enjoying the holiday). I'm not quite ready yet but need to know if I have enough time.

3.

Regarding Pregnyl (Picture says oragnol or something on the box?)

Supplier givess a 5000ui vial with 1ml sterile pinning water. 

Can I mix this and save it in a sterilized glass bottle/vial? Will it last?

4.

Can I halve Aromasin? The only doses I can get are 25mg x 50

Note: I can only get Zydex Aromasin... the source is reviewed well and recommended. But they're out of pharma

 

 

 

Extra info. 

I'd like to keep sides to a minimum as don't wish close ones to know. 

I had acne as a teenager. Went on roacuttane (assume this is similar to accutane if not the same?)

And barring the odd spot once every blue moon, I generally have no issues for 12 years and have quite dry skin. Unsure if it's related. But I don't sweat easily either without pre workout/cardio for 10+ mins at least. Not sure why. It's just always been a thing. Eventually it floods out of me. But usually takes a bit to get going. I'm not sure if its relevant or related to the roaccutance from being younger as my skin at the time was quite oily and now is quite dry/flakey. Just thought I'd mention it. 

I had hair loss from an early age. I shave it off so not really bothered but thought I might mention it. I have considered follicle transplant so not sure if any of the supps are likely to detriment any of that or if I should be looking at alternatives?

Sorry for the life story 🤣. Wanting to order asap as read it can take upto 2 weeks from supplier

TIA
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Re: Help with 1st/only cycle 2019/02/27 18:42:01 (permalink)
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Hi and welcome 😀
 
I'm not going to lecture etc just answer you're questions as best I can..
 
1 On that Test dose you shouldn't need the AI just a Serm if needed ie Nolva at 10-20mg ed.
2 12 weeks is good just remember to finish your PCT before you go, a good PCT will take 5-6 weeks.
3 Pregnyl is the best but comes with a small amount of solvent which is a ball ache to split 10 times into insulin barrels and will need to be frozen to be safe for the whole 12 weeks, better still get some BAC water off of Amazon and use that to reconstitute it (5ml of Bac water to 5000ius = 0.5ml will give 500ius   load the slin pins recap, freeze and defrost before use.
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Hairloss is entirely genetic so you'll need to ask your parents/genealogist about that.
 
Train hard, rest hard and lockdown that diet 👍

Fortes Fortuna Adiuvat
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Re: Help with 1st/only cycle 2019/02/28 09:29:22 (permalink)
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Thanks for taking the time to read.
Looks like I may have to wait until after my holiday (end of June) as I won't have finished my PCT. Infact will have not long since started it. Its a shame but I'd rather try and get it done once and then out. I don't have a phobia but not fond of needles 🤣.

Do I need to buy the AI just incase? I don't want to cause any detrimental effect but would rather give myself the best possible chance to get least side affects. Going to get my test levels before I start. But on Keto my test levels seem to bottom anyway (I'm usually at the leg a few times a week at least but on keto barley get the horn without it being instigated).

I really don't want gyno due to being naturally 'chesty'.

What's the shelf life of pregnyl? As we don't have a freezer (new kitchen in a couple months and our diets generally don't require a freezer)

Thanks re hairloss. It doesn't really bother me. But I'd rather not poke the fire If I can avoid it
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Re: Help with 1st/only cycle 2019/02/28 09:58:44 (permalink)
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It's better to have an AI at hand in case you need it than not have it, though waiting a few days for an order to come through won't kill you. 
 
You can combat gyno with Nolvadex at 20mg per day until symptoms subside.
 
Shelf life refrigerated is 90 days with bac water.

 
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Re: Help with 1st/only cycle 2019/02/28 11:28:01 (permalink)
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Thanks. I take it the sides are obvious?

Regarding holiday. What if I finish cycle. Then go away on 1st day. I'm away 2 weeks. Then start Oct as I read recommended 2 week between anyway?
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Re: Help with 1st/only cycle 2019/02/28 11:37:46 (permalink)
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Sides for gyno are puffy and itchy nipples.
 
And yes, PCT will be fine on your return.
 
 

 
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Re: Help with 1st/only cycle 2019/02/28 11:47:39 (permalink)
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Thanks. So I definatley shouldn't be taking AI unless sides appear. Shelf life with bac... So it's OK in the fridge? What about without? I can try and get a mini fridge piped up as don't want mess in the fridge that the kids use etc.

And was going to take it all way through. Should I stop taking it when pct primary starts?

Strangley my supp doesn't get pins. But assuming amazon ones are fine? Will read reviews etc to ensure reliable
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Re: Help with 1st/only cycle 2019/02/28 12:02:37 (permalink)
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Well you can take an AI if you wish but what would be the point unless your estrogen was high enough to require it? You could take it as an insurance policy against high E2 but at what dosage? If you dose too high it will hamper gains. The less drugs the better, unless you require them.
 
Mixed HCG at room temp will be good for a few days to a week at most. Take HCG whenever you wish. I think it's good during PCT personally.
 
Amazon pins will be fine. Medical suppliers aren't in the habit of making pins that cause harm. They'd soon be out of business and be in court with lawsuits against them.
 
 

 
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Re: Help with 1st/only cycle 2019/02/28 18:36:27 (permalink)
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Thanks, Thats something to bear in mind then, do i store test in the fridge once opened?
 
I may do HGC just at PCT so I'm
a. pinning less throughout and
b. don't have to make it last as long. Wasn't sure if there was any benefit to it. 
 
 
Definatley dont want to impact gains so ill just get the AI to have on hand.
 
Thanks again
 
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Re: Help with 1st/only cycle 2019/03/01 14:40:13 (permalink)
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Just ordered my blood sample to test before i start
 
So plan thus going forward is:
 
weeks 1 to 12 = 250 mg Test E Mondays and Thursdays
Weeks 9 to 11 = Pregnyl 500ui EOD
+ Aromasin ED 
Weeks 12 to 14= Pregnyl 500ui E3.5D
+ Aromasin ED
 
PCT:
Weeks 15 to 20= SERM Novladex 25mg ED
 
On hand:
Take Novladex earlier if gyno symptoms show until they subside plus a couple days after. Still take it for PCT as planned regardless
 
If im taking Novladex due to gyno..... While doing Pregnyl and on cycle, Do i still add in my AI alongside Preg? Or do i swap Novla for Aromasin? (Seen as though not supposed to do HGC with Novla as its for PCT)
 
 
 
Thanks again
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