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High Intensity Training

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2004/01/07 23:07:22 (permalink)

High Intensity Training

I recently picked up Mike Mentzer's "High Intensity training the Mike Mentzer Way" book and it is very interesting, so today when I got to the gym I decided to try it out. It was chest and back day so for a pre-exhaust before I did bench press I did some fly's until failure and then went straight to the bench press. According to the book as I understand it the pre-exhaust is to make sure that it's not your arms that fail but rather your chest. So I did the fly's until failure and then I benched until failure and then went to negatives until failure, however it seemed that it was my shoulders that seemed to be failing every time, and when I would get up off of the bench I would feel nothing with my chest but a hell of a lot with my shoulders, it seemed that I was working only my shoulders and my chest was not getting worked at all. So my question is, what am I doing wrong? It seems that it is the fly's that are exhausting my shoulders so perhaps I should change my pre-exhaust to something else? I am not really sure what I am doing wrong but I am pretty sure that the fly's are exhausting my shoulders, or perhaps my shoulders are just a little sore from my last workout, but I am not really sure...
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    RE: High Intensity Training 2004/01/08 03:05:25 (permalink)
    How long of a break did u have between your shoulder and chest workout? How long have u been training?
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    RE: High Intensity Training 2004/01/08 19:57:01 (permalink)
    DelBoy999: that's actually exactly what I was going to try next time..

    lonertyme: the break between my shoulder and chest workout was about 2 days... I've been training for about a year now.
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    RE: High Intensity Training 2004/01/08 21:39:29 (permalink)
    Ditto to what JohnnyFive said. Pre-exhausting is one of the most stupid techniques in all weightlifting. What a waste of valuable energy that could be used to do something that will actually make you grow and get stronger.
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    RE: High Intensity Training 2004/01/09 01:02:08 (permalink)
    Ye Mentzer was a buffoon,[:0].
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    RE: High Intensity Training 2004/01/09 02:08:07 (permalink)
    f**k me! i was about to start the same training program on monday!
    as for saying he is a buffoon, can you elaborate on why you think his methods wont work??

    oh and its nice to see another owl on this site oasis. we will bounce back, maybe not for a while though!
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    RE: High Intensity Training 2004/01/09 08:21:33 (permalink)
    lol I was been a little sarcastic he wasnt a buffoon lol just thought it was funny seeing his methods trashed by Frankie and Johnny (isnt that an Elvis song?)
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    RE: High Intensity Training 2004/01/09 15:24:58 (permalink)
    Oasis:

    A training method that worked well for one person who was extremely genetically gifted and taking a sh*t load of steroids does not mean that it would work for the majority of bodybuilders. In fact, it doesn't in my experience. Yes, there are a few examples of other bodybuilders who have done HIT or something similar to it and had success, but there countless others that I've seen try it and not make good gains.

    We experimented with it in football too, but the size gains just weren't there and whatever strength gains were achieved dissipated more quickly than more traditional training methods.
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    RE: High Intensity Training 2004/01/09 16:07:01 (permalink)
    ok.
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    RE: High Intensity Training 2004/01/10 00:27:03 (permalink)
    So I guess that I should drop the H I T training eh?
    Who knows, maybe his method could work for me... I will try the high intensity method for a little while and see what happens...
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    RE: High Intensity Training 2004/01/10 15:05:51 (permalink)
    Mentzers methods are just one of the variations on what is generally termed “High Intensity Training”. His writings and theories are merely an expansion on what Arthur Jones promoted before him it’s just that Mentzer has thought about it a bit more. High Intensity Training works not because Mentzer says so but because is it based on the principles of exercise science…IF it’s applied properly. It’s the misapplication not the method itself which is wrong.

    With regards to Pre Exhaust Robert Kennedy was the first to publicaly promote it. There is no magic in the method itself and it’s no superior than if one were to simply perform the exercises chosen in the normal manner, as if one performs chest flys or pec deck AFTER Bench Press the triceps are STILL eliminated and therefore the chest still becomes fatigued.

    I recommend the book System Analysis on the International Association of Resistance Trainers web site for a through critique of Mentzers Methods amongst others
    Paul.
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    RE: High Intensity Training 2004/01/12 17:12:42 (permalink)
    do you have the exact web address for that, so i can have a look around??
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    RE: High Intensity Training 2004/07/17 02:03:24 (permalink)
    Instead of dumbell flyes , do pec dec flyes , don't forget to hold in the contracted position for 2 secs tho . I know you posted this ages ago but i'm hoping your still training HIT style , I've managed to get a lot of people to give it a try and most of them stopped because it required too much effort . Some didn't tho and they still gaining to this day . If your still using HIT you should have dropped some of the supersets , if not all or using them sparingly , every 5th session or something like that . Heavy duty 2 i feel, gets this point across stronger than HIT does . For some people starting with the supersets might already be overtraing epecially if you've been traing a while already like i was b4 i discovered HIT .
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