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2016/10/05 19:30:07 (permalink)

Honestly, how bad is coming off cycle

Ladies and gents,
Brutal honesty please:
Wish I had found this site sooner. In a nutshell; I'm 40. Trained heavily about 15 years ago. Want to return properly. Used ketosis for 10 weeks leading up to end of July. Lost about 30lbs. I'm 5ft10, 175lbs, 14% BF. Thinking of Test E only 12-week cycle [500mgs/weekly].
Biggest concern is effects when coming off cycle; to me, nervous system, hormonally etc. How much of a mess can you get?
Any answers appreciated.
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Re: Honestly, how bad is coming off cycle 2016/10/05 19:35:40 (permalink)
Non of the "coming off" malarkey is written in stone, we're all individuals so we'll react and recover from meds in different ways...but with a good PCT you should recover fine...But only you will find out how well i'm afraid.

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Re: Honestly, how bad is coming off cycle 2016/10/05 19:35:40 (permalink)
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Re: Honestly, how bad is coming off cycle 2016/10/05 20:43:28 (permalink)
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Non of the "coming off" malarkey is written in stone, we're all individuals so we'll react and recover from meds in different ways...but with a good PCT you should recover fine...But only you will find out how well i'm afraid.




I understand. Everyone different. Will I be crying at particularly sad episodes of Neighbours or generally just being an emotional wreck?
 
On another thread I read, someone said this: 'The concept of permanent shutdown only exists in the minds of internet bodybuilding broscientists.'
How much truth in that opinion?
 
I want to experience Testosterone Enthante and the effects it will have on me as a I lift weights under a clean diet. But I am worried about going through all sorts of mood changes, frenzied killing urges, crying over spilt milk and feeling a complete hopelessness once jabbing the top of my right buttock stops.
 
Are Sarms worth trying first - or are they another fad?
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Re: Honestly, how bad is coming off cycle 2016/10/05 21:20:13 (permalink)
Coming off for me was absolute hell!! I honestly wish I never ever touched any type of PIED, I was seriously depressed for a long time after coming off, very emotional and just completely fcuked up in the head.
 
I once read that every cycle cuts your natural test levels by around 10%, I've no idea if theres any truth in this but I think it may be accurate in some sense (Im now borderline in need of TRT)
 
I also have friends who have used a lot of gear that it doesn't seem to effect negatively at all other than muscle loss.
 
 

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Re: Honestly, how bad is coming off cycle 2016/10/05 21:48:57 (permalink)
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Coming off for me was absolute hell!! I honestly wish I never ever touched any type of PIED, I was seriously depressed for a long time after coming off, very emotional and just completely fcuked up in the head.
 
I once read that every cycle cuts your natural test levels by around 10%, I've no idea if theres any truth in this but I think it may be accurate in some sense (Im now borderline in need of TRT)
 
I also have friends who have used a lot of gear that it doesn't seem to effect negatively at all other than muscle loss.
 
 




What cycle were you on? Was it your first?
 
Any one else have more anecdotes of hell? Or any on the flip side?
 
Interested to know if these SARMS are money-making fad...
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Re: Honestly, how bad is coming off cycle 2016/10/05 22:24:20 (permalink)
Also - blood work; do I just waltz into my local surgery and ask GP for testosterone blood test?
 
And when he [or she...] asks why, say either I want to try injectible anabolic steroids or say I have no hair on my body and think I need TRT...
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Re: Honestly, how bad is coming off cycle 2016/10/05 22:52:26 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby simonboyle 2016/10/09 16:44:47
I've come off cold turkey and lived. None of the people I've known to use gear personally have ever made a huge deal out of it. Your energy and libido go down, you lose some strength, and you man up and get through it.

Most of the emotional issues you may hear about are classic symptoms of clomid overuse. Solution: don't use clomid.
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Re: Honestly, how bad is coming off cycle 2016/10/05 23:00:42 (permalink)
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I've come off cold turkey and lived. None of the people I've known to use gear personally have ever made a huge deal out of it. Your energy and libido go down, you lose some strength, and you man up and get through it.

Most of the emotional issues you may hear about are classic symptoms of clomid overuse. Solution: don't use clomid.



Thanks. Unlikely to be crawling on the carpet crying my eyes out then or killing my entire family with a screwdriver?
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Re: Honestly, how bad is coming off cycle 2016/10/06 05:24:58 (permalink)
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Also - blood work; do I just waltz into my local surgery and ask GP for testosterone blood test?
 
And when he [or she...] asks why, say either I want to try injectible anabolic steroids or say I have no hair on my body and think I need TRT...




Depends on what you want on your medical record tbh...my Doc knows I self administer TRT and use other ped's so I get checked regularly.
 
You can get your Test levels check here privately.. https://www.medichecks.com/find-a-test/test/Testosterone_TEST/ if you so wish.
 

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Re: Honestly, how bad is coming off cycle 2016/10/06 08:29:53 (permalink)
As people have already said it depends on the individual.
PCT is a challenge for most .
 "Most of the emotional issues you may hear about are classic symptoms of clomid overuse. Solution: don't use clomid." Uriel 
Agree with this clomid can be a real bitch. Stick to Tamoxifen. 
As for telling your G.P.? Up to you mate , not something I would do, goes on your medical record so can have ramifications. 

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Re: Honestly, how bad is coming off cycle 2016/10/06 10:12:23 (permalink)
Agree with the clomid comment. I have just ran an extended pct of Nolva only, after a short ish run at trt levels of test and some other compounds. Feel good, no major issues throughout, and ive kept shape. I'm 41
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Re: Honestly, how bad is coming off cycle 2016/10/06 11:46:52 (permalink)
 
 
 




What cycle were you on? Was it your first?
 
My cycles were usually test based mate, so maybe some Dbol and test, Winny and test etc then I went onto Tren , Oxys.....Pretty much everything really, I used to buy in bulk so got it really cheap so would just try anything.
 
 
 
 





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Re: Honestly, how bad is coming off cycle 2016/10/06 21:00:58 (permalink)
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Also - blood work; do I just waltz into my local surgery and ask GP for testosterone blood test?
 
And when he [or she...] asks why, say either I want to try injectible anabolic steroids or say I have no hair on my body and think I need TRT...




Depends on what you want on your medical record tbh...my Doc knows I self administer TRT and use other ped's so I get checked regularly.
 
You can get your Test levels check here privately.. https://www.medichecks.com/find-a-test/test/Testosterone_TEST/ if you so wish.
 





Thanks will look.
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Re: Honestly, how bad is coming off cycle 2016/10/06 21:05:11 (permalink)
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As people have already said it depends on the individual.
PCT is a challenge for most .
 "Most of the emotional issues you may hear about are classic symptoms of clomid overuse. Solution: don't use clomid." Uriel 
Agree with this clomid can be a real bitch. Stick to Tamoxifen. 
As for telling your G.P.? Up to you mate , not something I would do, goes on your medical record so can have ramifications. 




PCT is a challenge for most? Christ. With a young family, this might be too much for me to handle.
I went to docs for something else today and posed the question about getting testosterone levels done because I wondered if my levels were low because I had no body hair.
Apart from feeling like a complete tw*t, he just looked at me and said: "And then what?"
He then said people wanting testosterone was "the fashion". I said I wasn't asking for testosterone, merely wondering what my levels were because I have smoother skin than a woman [painting a lovely picture of myself here aren't I...]. He said: "No one will give you testosterone at 40. It can lead to heart disease and women live a lot longer than us [men] and they have far less testosterone."
Proper successful visit then I'd say...
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Re: Honestly, how bad is coming off cycle 2016/10/06 21:06:07 (permalink)
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Agree with the clomid comment. I have just ran an extended pct of Nolva only, after a short ish run at trt levels of test and some other compounds. Feel good, no major issues throughout, and ive kept shape. I'm 41




Interesting. I think 350mg Test Enthanate for 12 weeks, with nolvadex to hand would be OK. It is the post cycle that concerns me.
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Re: Honestly, how bad is coming off cycle 2016/10/06 21:08:51 (permalink)
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What cycle were you on? Was it your first?
 
My cycles were usually test based mate, so maybe some Dbol and test, Winny and test etc then I went onto Tren , Oxys.....Pretty much everything really, I used to buy in bulk so got it really cheap so would just try anything.
 
 
 
 





Crikey - you'd just try anything? Pretty much everything really? No wonder post cycle was hell. I'm concerned about post-cycle after 350mg test e. For some mad reason, I'm not worried about on-cycle side effects. Don't know why.
 
And does anyone have an opinon on SARMS?
 
Also, while I get familiar with forum rules, I have UGL source - but would like to run it by someone with more knowledge. How do I do that?
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Re: Honestly, how bad is coming off cycle 2016/10/06 22:45:02 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby The_Lone_Wolf 2016/10/07 09:33:21
You're worrying too much about this. WHich is only natural when society keeps telling you androgens are the work of the devil. Hell even doctors as you can see, and that's an interesting point that is raised there about test, women and life span. Most doctors nowadays only seem to care about how long you live, not so much how well, and would be happy to let you live till 90 as an effeminate weakling rather than till 70 as a proper man.
 
You won't go killing anyone with a screwdriver unless you were already wrong in the head to begin with. Really people nowadays bitch too much about emotional side effects and PCT and shutdown and all that, but most people are pussies TBH. Can't say I've ever been in the middle of a cycle and thought "well I'm making great gains but feeling a bit emotional so I'm going to call it off", I stay focused on the goal and just suck it up for a few weeks. Like I said you just man up and get through it, for most people a good PCT is perfectly manageable, even if you feel down it's only for a few weeks.
 
Just take your nolvadex, run a long PCT to be on the safe side, like 8 weeks taking 20mg every day. You'll be fine and by the end of it your natural testosterone production will be higher than it has ever been in your life (it'll normalize afterwards). If you're feeling really paranoid you can use HCG throughout the cycle which will keep your nads from ever being switched off to begin with.
 
SARMS are a halfway compromise towards steroids of sorts. Not as suppressive, not as bad for your health, not as effective either.
post edited by Uriel - 2016/10/06 22:47:04
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Re: Honestly, how bad is coming off cycle 2016/10/08 14:30:52 (permalink)
Just been catching up with my past and found out that Graham Black, owner of the old Flex gym in Newbury in which I used to train, died a few years ago. Anyone know what happened or anyone used to train there in the mid-to-late 90s?
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Re: Honestly, how bad is coming off cycle 2016/10/08 21:58:35 (permalink)
OK, just to recap and so I have mind clear about what I'm doing:
 
12-week cycle:
Test E 500mgs each week
Nolvadex 20mg every other day
 
12-week PCT:
Nolvadex 20mg every other day.
Arimidex on hand just in case.
 
Any thoughts?
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