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How Do You Destroy Barca's Midfield?

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2011/03/10 19:31:47 (permalink)

How Do You Destroy Barca's Midfield?

This is a question 7 managers are currently quandering.
 
When you think about it, its just 4 or 5 men moving and kicking a ball. Why is it then so difficult for world class teams to struggle so badly against them in the middle of the park.
 
What tactics are needed?
 
It's almost as if they are completley unstoppable when they start flowing.
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    chrissy_boy
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    Re:How Do You Destroy Barca's Midfield? 2011/03/10 19:33:44 (permalink)
    You cant because theyre that good at what they do

    However if a team adopts the same tactics that holland produced in the world cup final then that would hinder them.Kick them off the park and give them no space.Inter proved last year that these tactics yield results
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    Re:How Do You Destroy Barca's Midfield? 2011/03/10 19:42:57 (permalink)
    Dealing with their midfield is the straightforward part, it needs a team effort to keep focused but they'll almost always come through the middle, no height in the box so you can show them to the corners. The tough decision comes from do you defend deep and soak the pressure up with a disciplined defence or play a high line and pray they don't catch your offside trap?

    That said, the even harder part is making use of whatever possession you manage, I've never seen a team pressure like Barcelona, double-pressing in your own half relentlessly. 
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    Re:How Do You Destroy Barca's Midfield? 2011/03/10 19:53:49 (permalink)
    Ask the Hercules manager.  He managed it with a newly promoted team.
    I'm going to bet someone like Bayern knock Barca out of the Champions League.
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    Re:How Do You Destroy Barca's Midfield? 2011/03/10 19:57:59 (permalink)
    Ak_88

    That said, the even harder part is making use of whatever possession you manage, I've never seen a team pressure like Barcelona, double-pressing in your own half relentlessly. 


    Liverpool of the 70's apparently - I wasn't even born so can't confirm.
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    Re:How Do You Destroy Barca's Midfield? 2011/03/10 20:06:47 (permalink)
    Walnaldinho

    Ask the Hercules manager.  He managed it with a newly promoted team.
    I'm going to bet someone like Bayern knock Barca out of the Champions League.



    Think he used a similar reason (which is where I got my logic from) about Barca not having a target man, so with a solid defensive performance they can be nullified.
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    Re:How Do You Destroy Barca's Midfield? 2011/03/10 21:42:38 (permalink)
    Trying to stop them is an idea but what's really needed is a top opposition player/players to take the game by the scruff of the neck and punish them.

    Ronaldo couldn't manage it,neither could Fabregas and co.

    Now I can only see Chelsea and Fernando Torres or Man utd and Wayne Rooney.

    I'd also like to see Tottenham with a full strength fully fit side against Barca,Bale could give them something to think about,well if he played anyway near the standard he did against Maicon and Inter then it would be very interesting.

    Had Jack Wilshere had a Ronaldo or Rooney alongside him the other night,Arsenal could have punished Barca and progressed.

    It's an on the day thing and your certainly going to need a bit of luck.

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    Re:How Do You Destroy Barca's Midfield? 2011/03/10 22:25:25 (permalink)
    Be interesting to see how they far against a team who play a long ball game.They're not a tall side so could be one of their few weaknesses.The fact that they pressurise the player in possession in numbers high up the pitch must leave gaps and potential areas to attack at the back so hitting a target man immediately could be a possible tactic.Not pretty maybe but as Arsenal proved,trying to play them at their own game just doesn't work.
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    Re:How Do You Destroy Barca's Midfield? 2011/03/10 22:28:04 (permalink)
    They keep the ball so well it tires the opponent. So when the opposition have the ball it's easier for Barca to press and win it back, then they'll keep it for another 50 passes. Simple but genius.

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    Re:How Do You Destroy Barca's Midfield? 2011/03/10 23:00:56 (permalink)
    Heres one me and the old man were discussing

    Barca's midfield vs the 1999 Man Utd of Beckham Scholes Keane and Giggs

    Keane would have sorted these boys ha
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    Re:How Do You Destroy Barca's Midfield? 2011/03/11 10:21:22 (permalink)
    makaveli1971 1996


    Had Jack Wilshere had a Ronaldo or Rooney alongside him the other night,Arsenal could have punished Barca and progressed.



    Yeah cos Rooney has been excellent for the last year! lol!




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    Re:How Do You Destroy Barca's Midfield? 2011/03/11 11:11:39 (permalink)
    Bring in Karl Henry! Wont be a problem, he will just give xavi, intiesta and co a good kicking.

    Joking aside, Inter Milan showed the way to beat them. Stay extremely tight at the back, pressure, not allow any space and hit them on the counter. Because an attempt to play them at football will end badly.

    Also chelsea should of beat them if it wasnt for the last minute Iniesta goal...

    Barcelona are incredibly vunerable to the counterattack.... they all bomb forward, including the full backs. leaving the defence exposed. Not a big fan of dani alves personally. Also pique and puyol can go a little crazy at times.

    Theo walcott would of been perfect for arsenal because he could of really had some good runs and used his pace.

    Tbh I would hate to see Man utd against them, our midfield hasnt got enough depth, especially in the centre.. theres to much space infront of the defence because of the lack of cover provided by the centremids (carrick mainly) which would leave messi, villa, pedro to be running in there all night long... it would be laughable. Maybe if fergie would resort back to the lone striker with rooney, leaving an extra man in midfield we would have more success. I dont understand why hes not been doing that this season tbh.... Rooney was a machine in that role.... Goal machine. Put him with another striker and he drifts about too deep looking like a slow, sluggish, clueless turd, his vision and passing ability are dreadful, hes effectivley adopted the position in behind the striker, compare arshavin, messi, van der vaart, gerrard to him in that position, park and giggs are even better there. The same happend in the world cup... all this season, people are still claiming hes out of form, no desire... makes me laugh

    bit of a rooney rant there lol
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    Re:How Do You Destroy Barca's Midfield? 2011/03/11 11:39:48 (permalink)
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    makaveli1971 1996


    Had Jack Wilshere had a Ronaldo or Rooney alongside him the other night,Arsenal could have punished Barca and progressed.



    Yeah cos Rooney has been excellent for the last year! lol!


    Hardly so but he's still capable of brilliance in a big game.
     

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    Re:How Do You Destroy Barca's Midfield? 2011/03/11 11:45:41 (permalink)
    If I were manager of a team with class players against Barca I would play a 4-5-1 deep and soak up the pressure hoping to hit them on the counter.

    I think you would need 4 actual defenders, no wing back style full backs. Two defensive mids, one attacking and two very fit and attacking wingers who can alos do a job and track back.

    one lone striker who will be supported by the winger not on the ball or the attacking mid.

    Not alot to ask for lol

    The team would have to be extremely fit and press the whole game. Also like AK said, you would need to defend in a way where you jockey them out to the wings, for corners or crosses, if you have big strong lads at the back you should clear that up all game.
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    Re:How Do You Destroy Barca's Midfield? 2011/03/11 14:47:57 (permalink)
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    Ask the Hercules manager.  He managed it with a newly promoted team.
    I'm going to bet someone like Bayern knock Barca out of the Champions League.


    yeah but guardiola had left out Xavi, Pedro, Busquets and Puyol.

    to the op its a tough one - i think if you're going to beat them i think you need to play a narrow game and force there players out wide looking for space where they're not as effective, you also need to stop Alves on his rampaging runs which give them width and press as a team higher up the pitch again not giving them any space but being wary of letting Messi, villa & pedro run behind the defence - maybe have an extra defender to help track their runs.

    once you've successfully done all that you still need to beat puyol, pique and valdez, i think if you can attack at pace and pull barca out of their shape with quick direct counter attacking moves it would give you you're best shot...

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    Re:How Do You Destroy Barca's Midfield? 2011/03/11 15:15:45 (permalink)
    I think if you press them up the pitch Jay it's inevitable that they will get behind your back four at some point in the game. To counter them you would need to soak it up deep imo. I agree though, force them out wide.
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    Re:How Do You Destroy Barca's Midfield? 2011/03/11 16:57:26 (permalink)
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    I think if you press them up the pitch Jay it's inevitable that they will get behind your back four at some point in the game. To counter them you would need to soak it up deep imo. I agree though, force them out wide.


    yeah that's why i would stick an extra man in at centre back someone whose not marking anyone and literally is there to intercept passes.
    if you sit deep it just takes a momentary lapse and they will force you out of shape with their one touch passing, i think just about every la liga side has tried to "park the bus" against them this year unsuccessfully.


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    Re:How Do You Destroy Barca's Midfield? 2011/03/11 18:22:43 (permalink)
    I would love to see Tottenham get Barca in the next round. I don't think they would win but what a great two matches it would be - and on their day with Bale in full flight, who knows?

    Rather Barca and get 2 great Champions league nights than get drawn against a team like Shakhtar.



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    Re:How Do You Destroy Barca's Midfield? 2011/03/11 18:41:52 (permalink)
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    yungdest81
    I think if you press them up the pitch Jay it's inevitable that they will get behind your back four at some point in the game. To counter them you would need to soak it up deep imo. I agree though, force them out wide.


    yeah that's why i would stick an extra man in at centre back someone whose not marking anyone and literally is there to intercept passes.
    if you sit deep it just takes a momentary lapse and they will force you out of shape with their one touch passing, i think just about every la liga side has tried to "park the bus" against them this year unsuccessfully.



    Spanish sides are **** at defending though, the vast majority play a high line and you'll see a through-ball goal with about 30 yards to run into nearly every weekend. If you take an English or Italian team, Barca have to work much harder.


    Arsenal aside (no disrespect), I don't recall Barca winning by more than 1-2 goals over two legs against an English or Italian side recently. The best part comes when they piss and moan about the other team not playing football, bunch of petulant ****s when UEFA and co can't help them through.
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    Re:How Do You Destroy Barca's Midfield? 2011/03/11 19:22:20 (permalink)
    arsenal played 4-5-1 against them the other night

    i still believe as arsene does that at 1-1 that formation was ripe to yield results

    i think the 4-5-1 is the way to play them away from home, but you need a lead to take to the nou camp
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