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2007/06/15 21:32:22 (permalink)
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How does this 'stack' up ?

ok, excuse the pun, couldn't help myself.

I have made my own mix, my own stack, and wondered what others thought. I've never tried anything like this before and thought I'd be creative and try and save some cash at the same time.

I'm flattered to see that its quite similar to Osagi's stack. I've only just this minute learned of his and didn't copy in any way, before you start . . .

I'm not going to pretend that I didn't base it in (large) part on some well known expensive products, because I did.

one serving (scoop) works out at about;

2g AAKG
2g Taurine
2g BCAAs (Leucine:Isoleucine:Valine at 2:1:1)
5g CEE
35g malto-dextrin

and not enough berry burst flavouring

Timing
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taken with water and enough concentrated squash to help the berry flavour kill the CEE taste (300ml total perhaps)
45 minutes BEFORE workout



Placebo effect or otherwise, early signs at least, feel good.

Would really like others opinions.

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    theiopener
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    RE: How does this 'stack' up ? 2007/06/15 21:33:55 (permalink)
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    why the need for BCAA's mate? Also why the malto as well, do you not eat anything before a workout then?
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    RE: How does this 'stack' up ? 2007/06/15 21:40:19 (permalink)
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    because i particularly wanted Leucine in, and rewad up a little and thought rather than put it in on its own, i'd use the BCAA. all the ingredients and indeed much (not all) of the details of the ingredients was gleened from MPs sites product info and/or this forum.

    Mainly, i plagiarised some of the most expensive 'leading' products.

    malto-dextrin, don't have great reasons (have some reasons), but just added it
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    RE: How does this 'stack' up ? 2007/06/15 21:43:05 (permalink)
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    if youre looking for a pump stack then that aint gonna cut it really. No need for malto for energy as you just need complex carbs from your preWO meal. Use the malto for PWO instead. If you want a NO type pump then check out the Osagi Stack in the Newsletters
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    RE: How does this 'stack' up ? 2007/06/15 22:40:08 (permalink)
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    As you say 'scoop', you must have mixed all this. Id be interested to know how you mixed it and worked it out, how do you know your getting that ratio with each scoop, as they are of different density?

    Im doing something similar at moment and think i need to try different gram amounts of each to get best effect.

    I too noticed that a lot of commercial pre workout formulas contain dextrose etc.. but as said, i dont think that is necessary, certainly not for the cee anyway, and the amount you have there may cause an energy crash during workout.
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    RE: How does this 'stack' up ? 2007/06/15 22:41:56 (permalink)
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    i never said "scoop" anywhere mate. If you want some premade Osagi Stack pump product go to the MP customiser and enter the rations and select tha amoutn you want mixed ready for you. As for weights get a good set of digital scales off of eBay
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    RE: How does this 'stack' up ? 2007/06/15 22:43:39 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: theiopener

    i never said "scoop" anywhere mate. If you want some premade Osagi Stack pump product go to the MP customiser and enter the rations and select tha amoutn you want mixed ready for you. As for weights get a good set of digital scales off of eBay


    Im talking to OP johnccfc. I already have ingredients as ive said. I also have scales, thats not what im talking about.
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    RE: How does this 'stack' up ? 2007/06/15 22:44:47 (permalink)
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    whoops sorry, click the reply by his name nest time to avoid any confusion as it will say who your reply is in response to, iopener signing off
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    RE: How does this 'stack' up ? 2007/06/15 22:52:18 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: theiopener

    whoops sorry, click the reply by his name nest time to avoid any confusion as it will say who your reply is in response to, iopener signing off

    I thought quoting the original poster was enough to differentiate and avoid any confusion. You responded very quickly mate, Maybe slow down and understand post before responses
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    RE: How does this 'stack' up ? 2007/06/15 23:13:40 (permalink)
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    i mixed it all together using the middle ground (mostly) of the daily recommended amounts for each item.

    i shake the container aound a lot prior to taking my scoop.

    my main reason for mixing was to have something 'ready'.

    I have a one hour drive home from work and workout as soon as i get home. I drink my drink on the moroway on the way home.

    Why energy crash?? I don't notice anything like that, quite the reverse.

    also, I have Cell-Tech (10% creatin mono/90% dextrose) immediately after WO too, then often a protein, then finally eat.
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    RE: How does this 'stack' up ? 2007/06/15 23:22:49 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: johnccfc

    i mixed it all together using the middle ground (mostly) of the daily recommended amounts for each item.

    i shake the container aound a lot prior to taking my scoop.

    my main reason for mixing was to have something 'ready'.

    I have a one hour drive home from work and workout as soon as i get home. I drink my drink on the moroway on the way home.

    Why energy crash?? I don't notice anything like that, quite the reverse.

    also, I have Cell-Tech (10% creatin mono/90% dextrose) immediately after WO too, then often a protein, then finally eat.


    If you take a large amount of fast acting carb/ sugar pre workout, it is considered to be likely to create a quick energy rush and crash during workout. (Sugar rushs dont last long)
    It is seen by most that good protocol would be protein/ slow carb (ie oats etc) pre workout and protein/ fast carb (dextrose/ malto) post workout.

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    RE: How does this 'stack' up ? 2007/06/16 00:10:14 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: johnccfc
    one serving (scoop) works out at about;

    2g AAKG
    2g Taurine
    2g BCAAs (Leucine:Isoleucine:Valine at 2:1:1)
    5g CEE
    35g malto-dextrin


    My opinion, up the AAKG to 3-5g, drop BCAA's (if you want leucine it's better taken post workout, 3g pure leucine added to your post workout protein shake), lower CEE dose to 2-3g (no point in taking more than this or taking CEE and creatine mono as you body can only make use of 2-3g creatine per day in whatever form anyhow, oh and you most certainly want to ditch the cell-tech lol).

    Finally do away with the malto, not needed as part of the stack and as already mentioned not the best carb source to be taking pre workout.

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