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2011/04/07 12:26:03 (permalink)
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How important are food timings?

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How important are they for losing weight/cutting
 
I eat every 2 or 3 hours! and 6 or 7 meals a day  ,  does it make any difference?
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    Re:How important are food timings? 2011/04/07 12:31:17 (permalink)
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    You'll get a mixed response to this, but ultimately losing or gaining weight comes down to calories in vs. calories out. So in my opinion, no, it doesn't truly matter.
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    Re:How important are food timings? 2011/04/07 12:32:43 (permalink)
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    RickMiller

    You'll get a mixed response to this, but ultimately losing or gaining weight comes down to calories in vs. calories out. So in my opinion, no, it doesn't truly matter.

    Do you think timings of say every 2-3 hours can aid in fatloss?
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    Re:How important are food timings? 2011/04/07 12:34:15 (permalink)
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    ALHADO
    Do you think timings of say every 2-3 hours can aid in fatloss?


    No.
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    Re:How important are food timings? 2011/04/07 12:36:26 (permalink)
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    ALHADO
    Do you think timings of say every 2-3 hours can aid in fatloss?

     
    Having tried a number of different meal timings, I'd personally say no. It boils down to total calorific intake, macronutrient balance, and training.
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    Re:How important are food timings? 2011/04/07 14:00:30 (permalink)
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    it depends what people you're talking about.
     
    Populations like those on MT who are a little more mindful about what they're eating... no. In those who aren't as mindful, spreading your calories through the day correlates with lower body fat.
     
    Is it because it is speeding metabolism or some such? Probably not, there's more evidence to suggest it is more to do with how having say breakfast alters what you eater later in the day i.e. less and less junk. That said what you have for breakfast alters this to.
    post edited by Drew Price - 2011/04/07 14:01:51
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    Re:How important are food timings? 2011/04/07 14:03:48 (permalink)
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    I was under the impression that eating every 2-3 hours would boost your metabolism and help to burn more fat in a cutting diet.
     
    Presumably then, all that is happening is; your metabolism will increase but it will just burn the calories (food) consumed in that given day?
     
    Though depending on your training you may not have those calories to be burnt and therefore a high metabolism will aid in fat loss?
     
    Sorry for the slight high-jack!  I eat every 2 1/2 to 3 1/2 hours - coz I'm hungry! lol
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    Re:How important are food timings? 2011/04/07 14:04:56 (permalink)
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    RickMiller
    You'll get a mixed response to this, but ultimately losing or gaining weight comes down to calories in vs. calories out. So in my opinion, no, it doesn't truly matter.

    'Ultimatly', yes, for people in a lab or a prison camp, but where they come from and what those calories do to your body are for the vast majority of people in the wast of far greater importance than the cals in vs cals out, no?  
    In other words there's something between 'Cals' and 'timing' on the hierarchy and you can't talk about the other two without thinking about that. 
     
     
     
    post edited by Drew Price - 2011/04/07 14:06:33
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    Re:How important are food timings? 2011/04/07 14:09:32 (permalink)
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    Type of foods in diet is more important than timing of foods in the diet by a substantial margin. Timing has its place when it comes to pre/post workout, thats about it really, and even then, the 'criticalness' is limited to those really pushing it IMO
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    Re:How important are food timings? 2011/04/07 14:11:48 (permalink)
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    Dean,
     
    ignore all the talk about metobolism etc...
     
    1) Eat enough of the right foods, i.e. enough cals but also the right sources, veg, lean meats, decent fat choices, complex carbs etc etc
    2) Eat in a way (no. of meals etc) that makes it easy for you to be consistent but try and avoid very large meals.
    3) Time the majority of your carbohydrate for when they will support recovery and not fat gain (i.e. around training and b'fast being the starting point), avoid sugar as much as possible.
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    Re:How important are food timings? 2011/04/07 14:19:49 (permalink)
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    Thanks Drew!  I'm currently 'ticking' those boxes then.
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    Re:How important are food timings? 2011/04/07 14:53:10 (permalink)
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    Cool,

    it's important realise that what your food does to your body is massively important and that calories are only a small part of that effect. Food impacts upon how your body regulates itself, in this way it controls your how your body works, and the different nutrients have different effects, even if they contain the same calories e.g. 100g of protein vs 100g carbohydrate.
     
    Moreover similar things eg 100g carbs from dense brown bread vs 100g sugar elicit very different effects from the body despite both being absorbed into the blood as sugar.
     
    When you look at that and also the theory of cals in vs cals out i.e. that if you overeat by just one 'pub sized' packet peanuts a week for 10 weeks you should gain a pound of fat, then the whole Cals In vs Cals Out thing become more and more useless as something to focus on.
     
    In short what I am say is cals are something to think about after you think about the actual FOOD.
     
    Make sure you're eating good quality foods and roughly the right amounts of the different foods choices (veg, protein foods, fats and starchy stuff). Then think about cals... a bit.... maybe...
     
    That is the end of my Cals In VS Cals Out rant for today.
     
     
    post edited by Drew Price - 2011/04/07 14:56:39
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    Re:How important are food timings? 2011/04/07 14:55:42 (permalink)
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    Science always seems to contradict itself on this one. Personally, I've always done what works for me - I usually eat around 7-8 times a day, and at times when I generally get hungry. Sure, sometimes I'll force feed but it's part of my day to day routine and it works for me.
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    Re:How important are food timings? 2011/04/07 15:01:18 (permalink)
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    Agree with Drew and Tony, both make firm conclusions. 
     
    On a population-wide basis, where food choices are often lacking and the ultimate aim is simply management of waist circumference and prevention of secondary conditions to the metabolic syndrome such as hypercholesterolaemia, hypertension etc. calories in vs. calories out is the best conclusion.
     
    However, I would agree that it's likely to be 'dodgy' to put such a blanket statement to an athletic population (especially bodybuilding) where analysis of one's diet is a virtually ritualistic, so this first rule is likely to have been obeyed and therefore food choices is the next best item to focus on, to improve nutrient partitioning, lean muscle gains, adaptations to training etc.
     
    Will you both be attending BodyPower this year? Would be great to chat and network with all the other nutrition geeks :)
     
     
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    Re:How important are food timings? 2011/04/07 16:38:27 (permalink)
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    sadly I don't think so this year, maybe, but probably not it depends upon work. I am going to FIBO if by any chance you're there?
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    Re:How important are food timings? 2011/04/07 17:30:02 (permalink)
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    Me either mate - went to the GP... where I had a nice chat with Drew, without you, lol!
     
    but try and avoid very large meals.

    Drew - what's the hang up on large meals? For me, makes getting decent amount of cals in very easy, and from some of the meal timing stuff that was posted ages ago, also seems to be a good option for a nice anabolic push.
     
    I guess it can mean overeating becomes easier, if you're used to having a stretched stomach - I nailed over 1/2 a lasagne Jess made last night, only just served 4 of us, was enough for about 7-8 - but is there anything else behind what you're saying?
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    Re:How important are food timings? 2011/04/07 17:40:41 (permalink)
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    ...it's more a behavioural thing - it just doesn't suit most peoples lives and guts. With any anabolic effects the majority of these can be gained from small meals but again this is the tiniest of %'s in the big picture.
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    Re:How important are food timings? 2011/04/07 19:23:29 (permalink)
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    Tony Barnes - "Me either mate - went to the GP... where I had a nice chat with Drew, without you, lol! "
     
    Hope you enjoyed mate ;) 
     
    Drew - Not a chance for FIBO mate, looks excellent though!
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    Re:How important are food timings? 2011/04/07 20:03:56 (permalink)
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    Drew Price

    Dean,

    ignore all the talk about metobolism etc...

    1) Eat enough of the right foods, i.e. enough cals but also the right sources, veg, lean meats, decent fat choices, complex carbs etc etc
    2) Eat in a way (no. of meals etc) that makes it easy for you to be consistent but try and avoid very large meals.
    3) Time the majority of your carbohydrate for when they will support recovery and not fat gain (i.e. around training and b'fast being the starting point), avoid sugar as much as possible.

    What he said :)
     
    I think proper food at the proper times is very important, not necessarily because it speeds metabolism (although it might if you are lucky), but because it gets you into a good habit, it makes it easier to get the right amount of protein and fibre and nutrients in general down your neck.
     
    But I talk from the pure hardcore bodybuilding stance: where you cut so that you can then go add muscle afterwards - not from the view point of maintaining, or lean this that or the other. For me bodybuilding is buliding not tinkering around - and cutting with 6-8 meals that are clean, planned breaks to feed yourself something to make it psychologically bearable, with proper fuelling and nutrients when you need them combined with brutal training and cardio is the number one way to preserve muscle and lean out.
     
    I also know that there is not one study in the world that has ever discovered this - although every single champion has done this, every competitor knows this is how its gets done! :)
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