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Re: How your meat if farmed in the UK. 2017/09/11 15:41:21 (permalink)
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And no I am not that stupid, I know animals rape and kill, but that doesn't mean humans need to do the same does it? W
 
 




 
So does that mean you acknowledge you are stupid its just the level of said stupidity we disagreeing about ? 

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Re: How your meat if farmed in the UK. 2017/09/11 15:45:20 (permalink)
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Boss - probably time to let this go mate & move on.  You'll never persuade people to go vegan by telling them that they're complicit in 'rape'.




I'm not trying to persuade anyone, some people will come around to becoming vegan, some wont, the ones that do tend to do it when they are ready to.
 
The fact that Rasputin is too much of a pussy to watch more then 30s is laughable though. Maybe he feels he'll have no argument after watching it or something.


The guy who hunts his own food is too squeamish to watch your little video. Oh my days, you are a proper fruitcake, like major.



I hope I wasn't this thick when I ate meat. Firstly if you have not even watched the video, do yourself a favor and stfu because its not about killing animals.
 
Secondly, I imagine when Rasputin hunts and kills animals he does it in a way that the animal suffers the least. Do you think that Rasp captures the animal and slowly cuts it open, or skins the animal alive, or beats the animal with a bat before he kills it? No I doubt he does.
 
Why does he not kill the animal in the most painful and slow way possible? well after all hes heartless and doesn't care one bit for the animal (that part was a joke for all you meat heads out there).
 
He knows that the animal can suffer just like he can therefor he wants to kill it quickly.
 
There is a difference between shooting an animal in the head, and watching/or partaking in animals being abused and tortured.
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Re: How your meat if farmed in the UK. 2017/09/11 15:51:36 (permalink)
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Boss - probably time to let this go mate & move on.  You'll never persuade people to go vegan by telling them that they're complicit in 'rape'.




I'm not trying to persuade anyone, some people will come around to becoming vegan, some wont, the ones that do tend to do it when they are ready to. Well thats a blatant lie and you are going about it as offensively as possible as Jim says.
 
The fact that Rasputin is too much of a pussy to watch more then 30s is laughable though. Maybe he feels he'll have no argument after watching it or something.




 
FFS I have been called a pussy for many things but never in my wildest dreams would have dared to dream that someone with such a convoluted view of the world could accuse me of it for not watching a video. 
 
Just in case you are wondering seen as you seem to think I may be a pussy for not watching some "shocking" video I have slaughtered cows/sheep and even pigs when I was younger, inseminated cows, castrated bullocks (now if you want to put a man of meat should try making him do that), gassed hundreds of very cute chicks which are no more than a few days old to then test for disease so people can go about their egg laden lives and this is before I turned 18.
 
Why ? Not because I had some insane wish to slaughter them but because I wanted to be a vet many many years ago. 
 
You think only farming is cruel then you ought to look at Dog Racing, Horse Racing and even Donkey rides all of whom are expired once they reach the end of their working lives. Then probably start on the Zoo's and their captive breeding programs, probably moving onto national parks where animals are culled en masse and then hell you might as well go the whole way and make a blanket ban on pet ownership because if you have your animal neutered you raping it...... 
 
The mind boggles how people like you exist out of the microcosm of MT. 
 
 
 
 




Man up and watch the video then, and once you have, tell me everything in it is fine. You'll come off as a complete psychopath if you do.
 
I don't think you understand Veganism, or maybe you under estimate my knowledge on how animals are treated across many walks of life, but Veganism is just a diet.

I do a lot of push ups and sit ups. And I drink plenty of milk.

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Re: How your meat if farmed in the UK. 2017/09/11 15:54:09 (permalink)
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And no I am not that stupid, I know animals rape and kill, but that doesn't mean humans need to do the same does it? W
 
 




 
So does that mean you acknowledge you are stupid its just the level of said stupidity we disagreeing about ? 




Unless you are all knowing and all seeing you'd be seen as stupid about something.

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Re: How your meat if farmed in the UK. 2017/09/11 16:05:43 (permalink)
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Boss - probably time to let this go mate & move on.  You'll never persuade people to go vegan by telling them that they're complicit in 'rape'.




I'm not trying to persuade anyone, some people will come around to becoming vegan, some wont, the ones that do tend to do it when they are ready to. Well thats a blatant lie and you are going about it as offensively as possible as Jim says.
 
The fact that Rasputin is too much of a pussy to watch more then 30s is laughable though. Maybe he feels he'll have no argument after watching it or something.




 
FFS I have been called a pussy for many things but never in my wildest dreams would have dared to dream that someone with such a convoluted view of the world could accuse me of it for not watching a video. 
 
Just in case you are wondering seen as you seem to think I may be a pussy for not watching some "shocking" video I have slaughtered cows/sheep and even pigs when I was younger, inseminated cows, castrated bullocks (now if you want to put a man of meat should try making him do that), gassed hundreds of very cute chicks which are no more than a few days old to then test for disease so people can go about their egg laden lives and this is before I turned 18.
 
Why ? Not because I had some insane wish to slaughter them but because I wanted to be a vet many many years ago. 
 
You think only farming is cruel then you ought to look at Dog Racing, Horse Racing and even Donkey rides all of whom are expired once they reach the end of their working lives. Then probably start on the Zoo's and their captive breeding programs, probably moving onto national parks where animals are culled en masse and then hell you might as well go the whole way and make a blanket ban on pet ownership because if you have your animal neutered you raping it...... 
 
The mind boggles how people like you exist out of the microcosm of MT. 
 
 
 
 




Man up and watch the video then, and once you have, tell me everything in it is fine. You'll come off as a complete psychopath if you do.
 
I don't think you understand Veganism, or maybe you under estimate my knowledge on how animals are treated across many walks of life, but Veganism is just a diet.




 
You do realise that one video is not indicative of a whole industry don't you ? That like everything in life you have both good and bad. Ultimately things need to die and that is inevitable. 

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Re: How your meat if farmed in the UK. 2017/09/11 16:13:05 (permalink)
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Boss - probably time to let this go mate & move on.  You'll never persuade people to go vegan by telling them that they're complicit in 'rape'.




I'm not trying to persuade anyone, some people will come around to becoming vegan, some wont, the ones that do tend to do it when they are ready to. Well thats a blatant lie and you are going about it as offensively as possible as Jim says.
 
The fact that Rasputin is too much of a pussy to watch more then 30s is laughable though. Maybe he feels he'll have no argument after watching it or something.




 
FFS I have been called a pussy for many things but never in my wildest dreams would have dared to dream that someone with such a convoluted view of the world could accuse me of it for not watching a video. 
 
Just in case you are wondering seen as you seem to think I may be a pussy for not watching some "shocking" video I have slaughtered cows/sheep and even pigs when I was younger, inseminated cows, castrated bullocks (now if you want to put a man of meat should try making him do that), gassed hundreds of very cute chicks which are no more than a few days old to then test for disease so people can go about their egg laden lives and this is before I turned 18.
 
Why ? Not because I had some insane wish to slaughter them but because I wanted to be a vet many many years ago. 
 
You think only farming is cruel then you ought to look at Dog Racing, Horse Racing and even Donkey rides all of whom are expired once they reach the end of their working lives. Then probably start on the Zoo's and their captive breeding programs, probably moving onto national parks where animals are culled en masse and then hell you might as well go the whole way and make a blanket ban on pet ownership because if you have your animal neutered you raping it...... 
 
The mind boggles how people like you exist out of the microcosm of MT. 
 
 
 
 




Man up and watch the video then, and once you have, tell me everything in it is fine. You'll come off as a complete psychopath if you do.
 
I don't think you understand Veganism, or maybe you under estimate my knowledge on how animals are treated across many walks of life, but Veganism is just a diet.




 
You do realise that one video is not indicative of a whole industry don't you ? That like everything in life you have both good and bad. Ultimately things need to die and that is inevitable. 




Yea I know this, but I also know that some of the footage is gathered by activists who only have a limited amount of time to gather footage, they don't have years of footage to pick and chose from so that they can get the nastiest bits.
 
Some of the footage in the video is actually filmed by the farmers themselves believe it or not.

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Re: How your meat if farmed in the UK. 2017/09/11 16:13:09 (permalink)
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Re: How your meat if farmed in the UK. 2017/09/11 16:13:13 (permalink)
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Re: How your meat if farmed in the UK. 2017/09/11 16:49:08 (permalink)
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Boss - probably time to let this go mate & move on.  You'll never persuade people to go vegan by telling them that they're complicit in 'rape'.




I'm not trying to persuade anyone, some people will come around to becoming vegan, some wont, the ones that do tend to do it when they are ready to.

The fact that Rasputin is too much of a pussy to watch more then 30s is laughable though. Maybe he feels he'll have no argument after watching it or something.


The guy who hunts his own food is too squeamish to watch your little video. Oh my days, you are a proper fruitcake, like major.



I hope I wasn't this thick when I ate meat. Firstly if you have not even watched the video, do yourself a favor and stfu because its not about killing animals.
 
Secondly, I imagine when Rasputin hunts and kills animals he does it in a way that the animal suffers the least. Do you think that Rasp captures the animal and slowly cuts it open, or skins the animal alive, or beats the animal with a bat before he kills it? No I doubt he does.
 
Why does he not kill the animal in the most painful and slow way possible? well after all hes heartless and doesn't care one bit for the animal (that part was a joke for all you meat heads out there).
 
He knows that the animal can suffer just like he can therefor he wants to kill it quickly.
 
There is a difference between shooting an animal in the head, and watching/or partaking in animals being abused and tortured.




Listen moron, I don't need to watch the video, I grew up on a farm, a big one, dairy, sheep, crops. My relatives are farmers, my grand father was. When I was 14 I was driving with a contractor till I moved away at 20 or something, I have seen 50 farms probably, spent hours at shows and sales and marts. I have seen a cow killed, hung and butchered at home in a shed, which was incidentally the nicest beef I have ever had. When I was 6 I plucked chickens, well for at least 10 mins anyway. Do you honestly think that a video made by vegan nutters is going to teach me anything?
 
There are always bad people in the world, get over it.
 
And no, it doesn't take all those inputs to make a pound of beef in the UK, all it takes is grass, and rain. Stop spouting complete bollocks like you actually have the slightest clue what you are talking about. You categorically don't. I could just as easily make a video to show how happy millions of animals are in the Uk, and how cows come up to get strokes on the head, and pigs etc etc. 
 
Get a grip
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Re: How your meat if farmed in the UK. 2017/09/11 16:50:56 (permalink)
I have only ready the first couple of pages of this thread and I could find fault in people on both sides of this debate. There are some plain inaccuracies. I will try to find the time to raise some over the next few days.
 
I am a meat-eater, but I support free choice and have developed a vegan product. I now eat a lot less meat than I used to - but still eat meat on most days.
 
The arguament that historically man wasn't a vegan so shoudn't be is silly. The population of the world was a fraction of what is was now. We never used to have medicine, cars, brick houses and space travel. The world has changed - man needs to adapt.
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Re: How your meat if farmed in the UK. 2017/09/11 17:10:54 (permalink)
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The arguament that historically man wasn't a vegan so shoudn't be is silly. The population of the world was a fraction of what is was now. We never used to have medicine, cars, brick houses and space travel. The world has changed - man needs to adapt.


Is that an argument for pro veganism or against ? do you think the world could switch and support a fully vegan population in terms of agriculture even if we disregarded culture or tradition . 
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Re: How your meat if farmed in the UK. 2017/09/11 17:20:50 (permalink)
Boss Redd. Not here to debate the merits of what you're saying, it would be a fruitless endeavour here. However, I'm not sure what your aim in this thread is anymore? 17 pages on and you're not getting through to anybody from what I've seen. If anything, you're reinforcing a vegan stereotype which is going to further stigmatise veganism and make it even less likely for anybody to switch. As Teapot suggested, perhaps revisit or start a new thread after being a vegan for a few years and after studying the topic in greater detail.
 
Regardless of your stance on the subject, it takes a great deal of effort to convince people to voluntarily give up something they believe benefits them... at least without a substitute or an extremely compelling set of reasons. Even then, from what I've observed people have selective morality and can justify almost anything, especially if they can get away with it without apparent consequences.
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Re: How your meat if farmed in the UK. 2017/09/13 17:12:58 (permalink)
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James
 
 
The arguament that historically man wasn't a vegan so shoudn't be is silly. The population of the world was a fraction of what is was now. We never used to have medicine, cars, brick houses and space travel. The world has changed - man needs to adapt.


Is that an argument for pro veganism or against ? do you think the world could switch and support a fully vegan population in terms of agriculture even if we disregarded culture or tradition . 


It's neither; it's simply responding to the point made by a few. I really don't have those facts, to be honest. I do know that from a sustainability point of view, it would a lot easier and make a lot more logical sense.
 
I'd need a couple of hours to respond to other points in this thread!
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Re: How your meat if farmed in the UK. 2017/09/13 17:18:18 (permalink)
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Ok I will engage you even though you are already demonstrating the annoying vegan trait of self righteousness.

That comment is a generalisation. People are allowed to have their views and can express them. Yes, I do think BR is coming across self-righteous in this thread, but there are plenty of vegans who aren't. You could argue that you're being self-righteous with your comments. And maybe I am too with my dislike to sweeping generalisations!



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Re: How your meat if farmed in the UK. 2017/09/13 17:21:03 (permalink)
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I am fully against intensive mass produced meat. The meat is bad and the animals suffer. Go organic.

Organic means nothing. It's purely a marketing term. There are no health benefits. I'd much rather my crops (or the crops the animals consume) has some pesticides on it to increase production.
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Re: How your meat if farmed in the UK. 2017/09/13 17:24:51 (permalink)
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One of the biggest issues I think is this notion that every meal should include meat despite the fact that we are omnivores. We have become addicted to it but we aren't prepared to pay for it. This has led to intensive factory farmed hormone and antibiotic pumped meat that is making the population obese, sick and resistant to antibiotics.

Good post.
 
On the flipside, we couldn't live healthily on a vegan diet of, say, 50 years ago. It would have been too carb-heavy and lacking in some essential micronutrients.
 
We can live very healthily on a modern vegan diet where we import/export food from different regions quickly, can isolate macronutrient fractions and have highly bioavailable supplements.
 
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Re: How your meat if farmed in the UK. 2017/09/13 17:29:59 (permalink)
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One of the biggest issues I think is this notion that every meal should include meat despite the fact that we are omnivores. We have become addicted to it but we aren't prepared to pay for it. This has led to intensive factory farmed hormone and antibiotic pumped meat that is making the population obese, sick and resistant to antibiotics.



Are we really omnivores though? Just because we can eat meat, it doesn't mean we are meant to eat it. 
 
Why do our teeth resemble the teeth of herbivores. The mistake humans make is that we think we are so much different to other animals because we are smart and can build things, all we are are other animals. Why do animal products increase the chance of us getting cancer, diabetes and heart disease if we are meant to consume them, you have never heard of anyone getting 2 out of 3 of those having been on a plant based diet for most of their life.
 



This is rubbish, sorry. I fully support veganism, but please get your facts straight. There's a lot more to digestion than teeth. The physiology of the stomach, the structure, acidity and enzymes is designed for an omniverous diet. Our teeth are very capable of ripping meat apart. What we don't need to do is to bite it to kill it; we evolved with spears, etc to do this.
 
You could also argue that a carb-heavy diet increases risk of disease. Plus a large proportion of vegans are overweight.
 
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Re: How your meat if farmed in the UK. 2017/09/13 17:35:43 (permalink)
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Hmmm if your interested in food I recommend to watch what the health on Netflix or YouTube very interesting yet shot in America. But worth watching though

Awful, awful documentry. A number of people recommended I watch this. Skewed journalism serving their own agenda.
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Re: How your meat if farmed in the UK. 2017/09/13 17:37:30 (permalink)
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 I would only consider going vegan if it helped me gain muscle .



There's no advantage to being a vegan to gain muscle, but certainly no disadvantage either - as long as it's modern veganism.
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Re: How your meat if farmed in the UK. 2017/09/13 17:39:40 (permalink)
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Humans ARE omnivores.  We CAN eat raw meat without getting sick (I do all the time).  Raw chicken will make you sick due to the way it is transported, thus allowing bacteria to penetrate the meat.  The same raw chicken can make a dog sick also.
 
Your teeth analogy is utterly false (maybe you obtained the info from 'What the health'?).  You DO have canines and incisors like a carnivore, and your jaw does not move side to side in order to break down grasses.  In fact, our whole digestive system cannot handle grasses.  We have to process grains and grasses in order to digest them.  Even the humble potato is mildly toxic to humans in it's raw state.
 
It has also been proven that we can digest animal bones easier than fibrous vegetables (I also eat the bones of rabbits and chickens, which my partner hates in restaurants...)
 
The simple unavoidable fact is that it is impossible to consume 2500 calories of vegetation in the wild.  You kill and eat meat or you will die very quickly.
 
Now, I'm all for veganism for sustainability and ecological reasons, but to say that it's the natural lifestyle for humans and/or it being more healthy than a diet which includes meat is utter nonsense.

Good post. Not sure if digesting animal bones is 'easier' than fibrous veg though. How do you quantify that? Our microflora assist with the veg; but not with the bones.
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