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2005/07/30 17:03:56 (permalink)
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IF i tried injectibles as opposed to simply orals ...

Tried dbol and var on separate occasions - both okay but nothing dramatic. I'm after some pretty impressive lean gains - been training for quite a few yrs now and have good routine / diet experience. Not worried about water - so long as I can loose it post cycle.

Could you recommend an injectible/oral combo that only required a single weekly jab or wouldn't such a thing be that productive?

Could you also pls give me some pretty explicit info re what else I'd need to buy in addition to the aas (no source info please) - eg needle sizes etc.

I've read the "1st glute injection" article - any other first timer injectible stuff?

ta muchly,
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    RE: IF i tried injectibles as opposed to simply orals ... 2005/07/30 17:15:59 (permalink)
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    test e, deca and dbol to start with.
    5ml barrels, plus green and blue pins.
    Best to jab twice/week but you could do once if twice is impossible. With two jabs the level floating round the bloodstream would be more even than with one.
    so you'd need one barrel per week with one green to draw and one blue to inject. Plus a spare one for potential c0ckups.
    Finally, get some nolvadex (2 boxes) and clomid (2 boxes) which you'd start 4 weeks after last jab, to restart your own hormone level afterwards.
    Buy a bloop pressure meter to keep an eye on bp as a precaution.
    Eat lots of protein and carbs.
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    RE: IF i tried injectibles as opposed to simply orals ... 2005/07/30 18:13:39 (permalink)
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    might be worthwhile reading a thread of mine entitled "preparation for sust only cycle"

    im goin on one jab a week for 8 weeks, an extra kick for me efforts old chap

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    Goals: to be myself, only better.
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    RE: IF i tried injectibles as opposed to simply orals ... 2005/07/30 18:52:27 (permalink)
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    test/deca/dbol really isnt needed and doesnt suit his needs imo

    I would suggest 500mg sustanon per week, whether you divide that into twice per week or shoot all in one go makes little difference
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    RE: IF i tried injectibles as opposed to simply orals ... 2005/07/30 19:59:22 (permalink)
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    Dont forget to get some alcohol swabs as well!
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    RE: IF i tried injectibles as opposed to simply orals ... 2005/07/30 20:40:28 (permalink)
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    I'd go for test enanthate at 750mg per week for 8 weeks. Two shots per week, one amp on monday and two amps on thursday.


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    RE: IF i tried injectibles as opposed to simply orals ... 2005/07/30 22:27:46 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: Sword
    ...I'm after some pretty impressive lean gains... Not worried about water - so long as I can loose it post cycle.
    Could you recommend an injectible/oral combo that only required a single weekly jab or wouldn't such a thing be that productive?
    Could you also pls give me some pretty explicit info re what else I'd need to buy in addition to the aas (no source info please) - eg needle sizes etc.
    ta muchly,
    Sword


    ORIGINAL: Fina
    test/deca/dbol really isnt needed and doesnt suit his needs imo


    ..?..

    sticking the deca & test in 1 barrel = one inj / week.
    -he asked for an injectible/oral combo.

    He'd get more 'imressive gains' from test & deca than test alone.
    So tell me why this 'doesn't suit his needs?'
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    RE: IF i tried injectibles as opposed to simply orals ... 2005/07/31 05:38:40 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: Sword

    Tried dbol and var on separate occasions - both okay but nothing dramatic. I'm after some pretty impressive lean gains - been training for quite a few yrs now and have good routine / diet experience. Not worried about water - so long as I can loose it post cycle.

    Could you recommend an injectible/oral combo that only required a single weekly jab or wouldn't such a thing be that productive?

    Could you also pls give me some pretty explicit info re what else I'd need to buy in addition to the aas (no source info please) - eg needle sizes etc.

    I've read the "1st glute injection" article - any other first timer injectible stuff?

    ta muchly,
    Sword



    If you don't want to get ACNE try a DECA/DIANABOL stack........
    I NEVER recommend highly androgenic steroids unless you want to COMPETE professionally in bodybuilding
    Dianabol has a short halflife so if acne forms it can be controlled easily whereas injectable testosterone lasts much longer in the body. DHT can destroy your skin so keep that in mind. Deca breaks down into DHN which is highly DE-ACTIVATED in the skin...

    my 2 cents......:)
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    RE: IF i tried injectibles as opposed to simply orals ... 2005/07/31 11:13:35 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: figgy
    DHT can destroy your skin so keep that in mind.


    Can you elaborate further please regarding your above statement? It does appear very alarmist.

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    RE: IF i tried injectibles as opposed to simply orals ... 2005/07/31 20:22:00 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: PartyBoy


    ORIGINAL: figgy
    DHT can destroy your skin so keep that in mind.


    Can you elaborate further please regarding your above statement? It does appear very alarmist.



    Im not trying to ALARM people just make them aware that their SKIN might matter more to them than being SUPER BIG and having scarred up skin.

    Well, if DHT(dihydrotestosterone) is kept to reasonably normal levels, you probably wont get BAD ACNE. But when using various esthers of tesotosterone(depending on DOSAGE) usually 500mg+ per week is enough to cause fairly MODERATE/SEVERE ACNE in those that are predisposed to it. DHT is very effective at stimulating the sebaceous glands in the skin. Add to that bacteria=(inflamation or cyctic acne), then white blood cells attack that area in an attempt to cure that inflamation and destroy tissue in an attempt to get rid of the INFECTION. What you are left with is a crater scar possibly which is UGLY to say the least.

    Note: DHT is very useful for generating strength during a workout, but Im not sure if BAD ACNE is worth the added strength.(we are talking about supraphysiological dosages here)

    these links might help
    http://www.mesomorphosis.com/steroid-profiles/testosterone.htm
    http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/arnold/dht.htm

    here is a bit of the info I pasted here for a quick read......

    Testosterone used alone is capable of giving very effective results, particularly with doses over one gram per week, and can give substantial results with only 500 mg/week. If no other drugs are used, however, side effects such as gynecomastia are fairly likely. Prostate enlargement, worsening of acne, and acceleration of male pattern baldness (for those genetically susceptible to it) are particularly severe because of the effectively-higher androgen levels seen in these tissues as a result of local conversion to the more-potent DHT. Synthetics which do not convert to DHT give only the same effective level of androgen in these tissues as in the body as a whole, rather than effectively THREE TIMES the level. This is a significant advantage.

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    RE: IF i tried injectibles as opposed to simply orals ... 2005/07/31 20:49:12 (permalink)
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    I think for most, a dose of say 500mg test pw is not going to result in major acne breakout. Those predisposed to bad acne from this type of dosage would be few and far between.

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    RE: IF i tried injectibles as opposed to simply orals ... 2005/07/31 20:58:32 (permalink)
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    How would proviron fit in with regard to the DHT / acne / skin theory above??


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    RE: IF i tried injectibles as opposed to simply orals ... 2005/07/31 22:00:26 (permalink)
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    thanks so far guys ....

    I'm seeing the options of:

    test-e/deca/dbol (what dose)
    test-e/dbol (what dose)
    sust only at 500ew

    Nothing conclusive then :(

    BTW, is there any site where you can inject without it being seen in the shower etc or do you guys just have to hide your buts, lol?

    keep it coming pls - I'm all ears!
    Sword
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    RE: IF i tried injectibles as opposed to simply orals ... 2005/08/01 13:21:42 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: Sword
    thanks so far guys ....
    I'm seeing the options of:
    test-e/deca/dbol (what dose)
    test-e/dbol (what dose)
    sust only at 500ew
    Nothing conclusive then :(
    BTW, is there any site where you can inject without it being seen in the shower etc or do you guys just have to hide your buts, lol?
    keep it coming pls - I'm all ears!
    Sword

    well the doses that did me a power of good were:
    400 ml deca (2 vials)
    500 ml test iranian enanthate (2 amps)
    25mg dbol (5 tabs)

    the dbol I ran for around 3 weeks, evenly spaced out during the day, not all in one go.
    the deca and test i ran one of each, twice a week (monday/thursday)
    You need Nolvadex (2 boxes) and Clomid (2 boxes), but don't start using them until 4 weeks after the last Deca shot.

    The dbol is a kickstart to get the levels up quicker. You could run it for 2 weeks. When you are taking it you'll feel (at least I did) when you are 'up there'. I didn't want any more than that.

    You need 1x 5 cc barrel with one green and one blue needle for each jab session. Stick the green needle on first, suck up the amber nectar from the amp and the vial, both in the barrel together. Change the needle to a blue, then lob it in. Best done just after a shower.

    As far as somewone seeing you injected: I don't think Horatio from CSI Miami could sus where I just jabbed. When I whip the blue back out, usually there is one small solitary drip of blood and on a good day, none at all. I usually jab in thigh or delts.

    Voila. Grow like hell. Have fun.
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    RE: IF i tried injectibles as opposed to simply orals ... 2005/08/01 22:59:10 (permalink)
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    thanks heat,

    how long did/would you run the deca and test for?

    ta,
    S
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    RE: IF i tried injectibles as opposed to simply orals ... 2005/08/01 23:52:40 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: Sword
    thanks heat,
    how long did/would you run the deca and test for?
    ta,
    S

    personally I ran them for 12 weeks. Some might well say that is too long but I don't see the point of starting then quitting while you are still gaining. I think that with this game its best to give it plenty of time to do its magic and so far I've managed to hold onto most of the gains I've made on each cycle. For what its worth, I started at 104 kgs back in 2000 and today the scales tipped in at a tad over 130 :P

    Even if there isn't much gain during the last week or two, I would still say its worth it, as the body is more likely to remember that size if its been there for a while and not just 5 minutes.
    Having read lots of posts where weight has gone on quick then has been lost almost as quick, I reckon its because the stuff hasn't been given the opportunity to build solid permanent gains. Expecting it to add 2 stone overnight then keep it just isn't realistic.

    Water retention provides the environment for growth so the water comes first, then the permanent gains. Not the other way round.

    Personally I wouldn't do less than 8 weeks. But its your choice, your do$h too.

    If you feel bad after some weeks have gone by, then quit! Personally, the end of the cycle is always a sad event. Nothing lasts forever :)

    As long as you have the clomid and nolva for afters, you'll be alright ;)
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