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2015/02/21 09:12:48 (permalink)
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I don`t get why this country is going all out to stop IS sympathizers  traveling to syria. What is it i am missing here. Do we really think we can convince these fanatics that they are wrong. With all the news and internet about executions, burning alive, be -headings, mass executions, they are going there with eyes wide open, surely? And if they feel this is all ok, do we want them here? Why not offer free plane tickets to all who want to go to syria? Mind boggling imo. Opinions?







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Re: IS Syria 2015/02/21 09:24:58 (permalink)
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Whats the script with coming back? Are they allowed?
I dont mind them getting on the plane however there passport need to remain in the UK.
One less nut job in the UK to worry about...

 
 
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Re: IS Syria 2015/02/21 09:26:41 (permalink)
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They're arrested on return as it's illegal to fight in foreign conflicts + they throw terrorism charges at them
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Re: IS Syria 2015/02/21 09:28:01 (permalink)
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Are you new to the UK Smokey? Do you really think for 1 minute they won't be allowed back in?

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Re: IS Syria 2015/02/21 09:28:32 (permalink)
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They're arrested on return as it's illegal to fight in foreign conflicts + they throw terrorism charges at them

which leads to us paying there bill for staying in Her Majesty's Hotels, surely leaving them over there is cheaper...

 
 
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Re: IS Syria 2015/02/21 09:32:17 (permalink)
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You can't force someone to stay on one country though, they either try to come back to attack or when they realise they've dropped a massive bollock
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Re: IS Syria 2015/02/21 09:53:10 (permalink)
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Didn't the UK or USA fund IS and provide them with weapons?

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Re: IS Syria 2015/02/21 10:53:42 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby BROKEN 2015/02/26 08:04:36
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Up until this recent story (With the three young girls) my attitude was very much "Good Riddance" 
 
But latest case,  two 15 year olds and a 16 year old?... We allow them to be radicalised and then we let them wander out of the country?   I can't help thinking our country has failed them (at least the two 15 year olds)  
 
If those two chose to have sex with an adult in this country, we'd deem that they are simply not old or mature enough to have consented,  so the adult they had sex with would carry the burden of responsibility   -  Yet we are happy to sit back and say "Well,  its their decision... up to them" When they decide to go out and Kill/be killed/for ISIS (essentially a religious cult)?
 
I don't even know where we begin to deal with this?  If we got them back here surely we can't (as we'd be most likely to do)  send them home and pretend nothing happened,  crossing our fingers and hoping they don't kill anyone here? 
 
  The whole situation is an awful, the liberal twats & their political correctness that has fought to nurture radicalisation in this country MUST be made to understand that the blame lies squarely with them.  
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Re: IS Syria 2015/02/21 11:11:15 (permalink)
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And this is why UKIP came out in front in the recent thread poll on who you were going to vote for. The only main party with the b*llocks to acknowledge there's a problem. Any of the LibLabCon would continue to pretend it's all fine, we're a wonderfully diverse country, nothing to see here, it's just a few lone nutters, religion of peace etc. Truth is they know the size of the problem is now so great they don't know what to do about it. Any kind of strong policies will lead to riots in the streets/civil war. So kick the can down the road and let some other mugs sort it out when the sh*t hits the fan in 10-20 years and we get civil war anyway, though by then the numbers will be less in our favour.
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Re: IS Syria 2015/02/21 11:17:17 (permalink)
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Up until this recent story (With the three young girls) my attitude was very much "Good Riddance" 
 
But latest case,  two 15 year olds and a 16 year old?... We allow them to be radicalised and then we let them wander out of the country?   I can't help thinking our country has failed them (at least the two 15 year olds)  
 
If those two chose to have sex with an adult in this country, we'd deem that they are simply not old or mature enough to have consented,  so the adult they had sex with would carry the burden of responsibility   -  Yet we are happy to sit back and say "Well,  its their decision... up to them" When they decide to go out and Kill/be killed/for ISIS (essentially a religious cult)?
 
I don't even know where we begin to deal with this?  If we got them back here surely we can't (as we'd be most likely to do)  send them home and pretend nothing happened,  crossing our fingers and hoping they don't kill anyone here? 
 
  The whole situation is an awful, the liberal twats & their political correctness that has fought to nurture radicalisation in this country MUST be made to understand that the blame lies squarely with them.  




The difference is, it's against the law to choose a sexual partner below 16 and then proceed to have sex with him. You can choose your religion at any age and then proceed into any Church/Mosque etc. 
 
You seem remarkably bothered by those three, but what's bothering you more...their young ages, or the fact that they're girls?  And that's not a challenge, just curious as to whether the fact that they're females is more unsettling.  I know what I feel, but would like your opinion first.
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Re: IS Syria 2015/02/21 11:46:14 (permalink)
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Welcome to the layer cake sons!
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Re: IS Syria 2015/02/21 12:09:18 (permalink)
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And this is why UKIP came out in front in the recent thread poll on who you were going to vote for. The only main party with the b*llocks to acknowledge there's a problem. Any of the LibLabCon would continue to pretend it's all fine, we're a wonderfully diverse country, nothing to see here, it's just a few lone nutters, religion of peace etc. Truth is they know the size of the problem is now so great they don't know what to do about it. Any kind of strong policies will lead to riots in the streets/civil war. So kick the can down the road and let some other mugs sort it out when the sh*t hits the fan in 10-20 years and we get civil war anyway, though by then the numbers will be less in our favour.




If you honestly think UKIP will "sort it out" then you must be under one hell of a delusion. They are just as corrupt and self serving as any other of the other parties, in fact I'd say they're much worse as a good deal of them are rejects from the main three who didn't have the abilities to succeed. They have many muslims in their ranks, why on earth would they do anything to upset them? They won't do a thing about immigration, any backers they have from industry would never allow their source of labour to dry up!
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Re: IS Syria 2015/02/21 12:13:50 (permalink)
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It ISIL  , our media renamed it ISIS to make sure you know there on about Syria(Levant) and when its a domestic attack they just refer to them as IS . They cant call them Al Qaeda anymore as its common knowledge they where a US/CIA creation , US funded and they currently sided with us to overthrow Libya , but its strange   how when the Jordan pilot who was captured and burned alive  after  doing air raids over Syria , the "ISIL" demands where  to spare the pilots life if Rishawi a failed Al Qaeda suicide bomber was released , and hit back harder they also executed Ziad Al-Karbuli former aide to the deceased leader of Al-Qaeda in Iraq, so no retribution against ISIS,ISIL or IS ?.  Wouldn't surprised me in the slightest if the Jordanians let there pilot be executed if it meant mass hysteria and a bigger push for war against Syria, they sighted no proof of him being alive despite them having the best quality execution video of all time which went viral.
 
Our government voted against war with Syria a while ago but still arms rebels and is part of the UN which is taking part in airstrikes against Syria , they obviously think this is wrong and are taking a stance.
 
There are no good guys here and if our government didn't have a vested interest in this , it wouldn't be reported and you wouldn't even know about it , reporting on it is just another tactic in creating division.
 
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Re: IS Syria 2015/02/21 12:14:03 (permalink)
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Didn't the UK or USA fund IS and provide them with weapons?




IS is an offshoot of the very anti-Assad rebels we and the USA did indeed fully fund and support. IS will continue to flourish as long as Saudi Arabia and Israel want it to. Saudi Arabia is actually a  supporter of Israel as it represents a bulwark against Arab democracy and secular movements in that area...it suits SA to keep things as they are in their utterly backwards, vile regime, IS both create fear and are a villain everyone can boo and hiss at while the real villains carry on.
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Re: IS Syria 2015/02/21 12:33:07 (permalink)
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Didn't the UK or USA fund IS and provide them with weapons?




IS is an offshoot of the very anti-Assad rebels we and the USA did indeed fully fund and support. IS will continue to flourish as long as Saudi Arabia and Israel want it to. Saudi Arabia is actually a  supporter of Israel as it represents a bulwark against Arab democracy and secular movements in that area...it suits SA to keep things as they are in their utterly backwards, vile regime, IS both create fear and are a villain everyone can boo and hiss at while the real villains carry on.


Its a bit like Game of Thrones.
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Re: IS Syria 2015/02/21 12:47:39 (permalink)
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The man leading the beheading of the 21 Egyptians on the beach had a strong Saudi accent. Bin Laden (who incidentally was actually never wanted in connection with 911) was a Saudi. All but one of the 911 hijackers named were/are Saudi. The regime is exactly like the Taliban, women in burkas, can't go out without a male relative, public beheadings, stonings, amputations, zero tolerance of any criticism of the regime...yet it's held up as some beacon of civilisation, it's disgusting. The Waqabi regime hates change and dissent, and Israel maintains the status quo so those two brutal regimes have always worked together.
 
These two groups have too much power in America, their lobbying groups were behind most of the Bush led wars, it's always been Zionists, Waqabis or both at the heart of middle eastern strife.
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Re: IS Syria 2015/02/21 13:23:41 (permalink)
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Blub2abs
 
You seem remarkably bothered by those three, but what's bothering you more...their young ages, or the fact that they're girls?  And that's not a challenge, just curious as to whether the fact that they're females is more unsettling.  I know what I feel, but would like your opinion first.




 
Nothing to do with gender at all (the Sex & Consent reference was just an example of their status as a minor)      
My sole problem is that these are KIDS, its purely the 'under 16' thing that I'm struggling with. a 15 year old (for their own protection) can't have sex, drink, smoke, get married, buy certain goods, work full time, drive  -  the list is endless, .... yet somehow we've missed a beat and allowed them them become radicalised and 'wander' out of the country!   Its a failing. no way around it.  
 
 
        

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Re: IS Syria 2015/02/21 15:10:37 (permalink)
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I say let anyone who wants to join the IS go. In fact find a piece of land in the middle east and just give it to them. Let them all gather there, and then drop a ****ing Tsar Bomba on them.
 
Problem solved.
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Re: IS Syria 2015/02/21 15:35:10 (permalink)
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"We will conquer you through the wombs of our women"

‘By having more babies and forcing a population explosion, Muslims can take over the UK,’

Says Jihadist preacher, Anjem Choudary, as he also warns that ‘ the next 9/11 will be in the UK.’

 
 
 

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Re: IS Syria 2015/02/21 16:04:13 (permalink)
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just an input. :-)
 
if it was the country i was from then i would for sure also travel there to join the army (IF IT WAS ETHICALLY RIGHT) but not go back before i did my mission for my country (means till it was safe there). im very loyal to my country.
 
ps. im not muslim nor am i from middle east. but im a warrior and fighter. 
pps. i dont support terror but i support defense of my country and my family.
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