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2004/02/23 15:15:35 (permalink)
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If you had one choice only??

What would you be ?
Just a bit of fun but I'm curious to see what the poll reveals if you want you can state your reasons for posting.
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    Robert
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    RE: If you had one choice only?? 2004/02/23 15:23:59 (permalink)
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    erm.. what about big and strong?
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    RE: If you had one choice only?? 2004/02/23 15:25:51 (permalink)
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    what about stronger but leaner?!!
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    RE: If you had one choice only?? 2004/02/23 16:30:09 (permalink)
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    Ideally..

    Biggish.. and pretty strong would be perfect for me. I certainly wouldn't want to be massive and no stronger than the average guy. But then I wouldn't want to be small and a lot stronger than the average guy either.. both extremes are just as abhorent to me.

    However, given that it's impossible to be the first of those to extremes, (before all you strength guys jump on me.. I'm judging strength with reference to your average guy .. NOT genetically gifted strongmen/powerlifters - such people are irrelevant to me), I'd rather have the size, as I know that it WILL mean I'll be stronger also.

    So, If I had to choose one of those two, it would be the first one.

    GTM
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    RE: If you had one choice only?? 2004/02/23 16:33:12 (permalink)
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    Oh and by the way.. to be absolutely fair.. your choices should actualy read either:

    Big but witout the strength / Strong but with out the size

    or

    Big but not much stronger / Strong but not much bigger.

    GTM
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    RE: If you had one choice only?? 2004/02/23 17:04:28 (permalink)
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    Strength for me
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    RE: If you had one choice only?? 2004/02/23 17:51:15 (permalink)
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    No flame intended, but we don't have to choose. Although the relatioship between size and strength isn't linear, it's given that as you get significantly stronger your muscles will get bigger.

    In all fairness though, I'd rather be stronger than I look, than look stronger than I am.

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    RE: If you had one choice only?? 2004/02/23 18:16:11 (permalink)
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    quote:
    Originally posted by GTM

    Ideally..

    Biggish.. and pretty strong would be perfect for me. I certainly wouldn't want to be massive and no stronger than the average guy. But then I wouldn't want to be small and a lot stronger than the average guy either.. both extremes are just as abhorent to me.

    However, given that it's impossible to be the first of those to extremes, (before all you strength guys jump on me.. I'm judging strength with reference to your average guy .. NOT genetically gifted strongmen/powerlifters - such people are irrelevant to me), I'd rather have the size, as I know that it WILL mean I'll be stronger also.

    So, If I had to choose one of those two, it would be the first one.

    GTM



    i wasn't aware that all strongmen/powerlifters are genetically gifted, this seems to be an assumption you frequently make and i frequently pull you up on. i am small and stronger thn the average guy, and thats got sweet FA to do with genetics. statements like that p1ss me off, i have worked hard to get what little* strength i have thank you very much.
    rob

    little* = compared to what i can achive in the future @ 150lbs, not little compared with joe 150lbs on the street.
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    RE: If you had one choice only?? 2004/02/23 18:32:25 (permalink)
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    Rob, I'm afraid to say that people with great genetics will always say that they have average genetics and that their herculean size and strenght are PURELY a result of hard training. ALL competitive power-lifters and strongmen are genetically above average. If they weren't, they'd be beaten by someone who was genetically above average. Some people are just strong. I remember MikeyFive (I think) saying that the first time he ever bench pressed, he managed about 75kg. Are you (or anyone else) gonna tell me that the average untrained guy can bench 75kg. Somehow, I don't think so.

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    RE: If you had one choice only?? 2004/02/23 18:48:40 (permalink)
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    #1 i do not have herculean size. i am under 12stone.
    #2 no the average untrained guy cannot. but seeing as my max bench was [no longer bench only dip hence drop] encroaching 110kg, thats encroaching DOUBLE my bodyweight and i have trained for several years to get that, it is unlikey tht i started at 75kg. point being, i don't care how many other people "natural strength", i haven't, and ill be damned if i'm going to have my achivements downsized/played down/degraded<[cannot think of the proper word] just because someone else didn't have to work as hardto get the same lifts
    #3 M5 might lift big, but i woul wager he has still worked bloody hard/as hard as anyone else
    #4 the "vibe"<[really poor word] i was getting from GTM's post is that strength trainers don't have to work as hard to achive in thier sport as some skinny BBer trying to get big. IF THATS NOT THE CASE and i have taken it the wrong way, i should, and will, apologise to GTM.
    rob
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    RE: If you had one choice only?? 2004/02/23 19:07:18 (permalink)
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    I'm not knocking anyone's effort rob and congrats on benching 110kg at 150lbs. That is impressive. I understand that the top lifters in the world do train extremely hard, follow impeccable diets and live very clean lifestyles. However to compete at that level you need one final ingredient: great genetics. While a genetically average guy can get big, strong, superfit, etc through disciplined training and nutrition he will not make on to the world stage. I'm not slagging off the genetically gifted or trying to dishearten the genetically average, I'm just pointing out a fact of life.
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    RE: If you had one choice only?? 2004/02/23 19:20:43 (permalink)
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    I see your point Tuffnutt and am inclined to agree, I train hard and am a lot stronger than i was but i know i will never be world class, I dont lose any sleep from this cos i have already achieved a lot more than i ever imagined i would. It never hurts to aim high though
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    RE: If you had one choice only?? 2004/02/23 20:23:35 (permalink)
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    Definitely stronger! I'm building for the sole purpose of getting back to playing rugby after a lengthy time out due to a severe double compound fracture of the ulna.
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    RE: If you had one choice only?? 2004/02/23 20:32:28 (permalink)
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    quote:
    severe double compound fracture of the ulna


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    RE: If you had one choice only?? 2004/02/23 21:55:48 (permalink)
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    i only train for strength any way size dont interest me especially because i have to weigh under 77k


    ps when i saw the name of the post i though it would be if ypiu could do only one exercise what would it be. any takers my would be
    clean and jerks
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    RE: If you had one choice only?? 2004/02/23 21:58:49 (permalink)
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    quote:
    Originally posted by Robert

    #1 i do not have herculean size. i am under 12stone.
    #2 no the average untrained guy cannot. but seeing as my max bench was [no longer bench only dip hence drop] encroaching 110kg, thats encroaching DOUBLE my bodyweight and i have trained for several years to get that, it is unlikey tht i started at 75kg. point being, i don't care how many other people "natural strength", i haven't, and ill be damned if i'm going to have my achivements downsized/played down/degraded<[cannot think of the proper word] just because someone else didn't have to work as hardto get the same lifts
    #3 M5 might lift big, but i woul wager he has still worked bloody hard/as hard as anyone else
    #4 the "vibe"<[really poor word] i was getting from GTM's post is that strength trainers don't have to work as hard to achive in thier sport as some skinny BBer trying to get big. IF THATS NOT THE CASE and i have taken it the wrong way, i should, and will, apologise to GTM.
    rob



    Rob,

    I am not trying to belittle you in any way. But if you think that you're not naturally strong you're wrong. Do you know what the British under 23 Bench press record is for your weight ? 150kg ,(don't believe me see here: http://www.weights.demon.co.uk/b23pl.htm )
    That means that you can bench nearly 3/4 of the British record. That makes you pretty damn strong in my book.

    I've never said that it comes easy for naturally strong people. Take a naturally strong person and a genetically average person and train them just as well and just as hard and the naturally strong person will ALWAYS be able to lift more, often a lot more. My point has always been that it's simply not relevant to compare strength of average people to the kind of levels that only a minority can and ever will be able to achieve.


    The strength game is the same as the BB one, in the sense that it should ONLY be about being THE BEST that YOU can be.. not what someone ELSE can be.

    GTM
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    RE: If you had one choice only?? 2004/02/23 23:23:13 (permalink)
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    i agree that to be at the top of any game you need great genetics. but from your first post i wasn't able to establish that you meant the world class level, and therefore included myself in your statement. i know, for my weight, i am stronger than joe average. but what is suprising me is you make the assumption that i have good genetics because of that. i have just worked very hard, thats all. 5 years ago i was 15, i had just about become interested in being in the army as the end of my school life was drawing in.. i started to train using calesthenics [pressups etc] i was about 120lbs, no BS [at the end of this summer i plan to post photos of myself to see how far i have come, got the idea from m5]. to go from a whippet that likes mountain biking and pressups to being an "athletic" looking person that is strong took me 5 years and a serious amount of sweat. not that it adds weight to my argurement because i could be making this up if i were that sad, [but assuming you were to belive me..] my dad and mum are both slim, so are my brothers, i was not strong when i started, that all.

    i like the last sentence in your post, and am glad it has been resolved
    rob
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    RE: If you had one choice only?? 2004/02/24 13:31:49 (permalink)
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    Interesting to see that the strength without size votes won it, as I thought this was a bodybuilding forum?? Nethertheless it created some interesing debate with regards to genetics...strange as I thought ( according to some on here) that genetics don't matter all you have to do is eat more.
    I deliberatly chose those two as when faced with the choice it's hard to pick, me I would rather be big than extremely strong..if i had to choose as at least that way you LOOK like your strong.
    Paul.
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    RE: If you had one choice only?? 2004/02/24 17:31:25 (permalink)
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    Id take strength before size all day long.

    I think a nice way to set up the voting would be....

    250lbs 4% body fat but only have a 500 total (bench, squat, dead)
    or
    130lbs with a 2500 total (bench, squat, dead)
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