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If you think some of the sentencing in the UK is lenient...

http://bikyamasr.com/wordpress/?p=31312
 
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Man (26) ties up his wife (16) and tortures her for 17 days until she eventually dies.
 
He did this to punish her for hanging up her underwear in a location in their apartment that was visible to her neighbours.
 
He gets 7 years in prison.

"Be adequate"
 
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    Bookerman
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    Re:If you think some of the sentencing in the UK is lenient... 2011/03/26 12:35:34 (permalink)
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    In Egypt shortly he wont even get a jail sentence for that. Wait and see.

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    Re:If you think some of the sentencing in the UK is lenient... 2011/03/26 12:42:59 (permalink)
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    What do you mean bookerman?
     
    just read the entire article.  sick to my gut
     
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    Re:If you think some of the sentencing in the UK is lenient... 2011/03/26 12:44:35 (permalink)
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    When the muslim brotherhood take over (as is looking more likely by the day).

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    Re:If you think some of the sentencing in the UK is lenient... 2011/03/26 12:56:37 (permalink)
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    To comment on this as I would like, would mean breaking MT's rules, so I'll sit here and just silently fume.
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    Re:If you think some of the sentencing in the UK is lenient... 2011/03/26 14:24:08 (permalink)
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    He'd get a life sentence here - and would likely be out in 10 or so, so while i agree this is scandalously lenient, he wouldnt necessarily be much worse off here...  and if you've ever seen the inside of an Egyptian jail (which I have, briefly - dont ask!) Id much rather do 10 in an english nick than 7 in an egyptian.
     
    Much rather!


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    Re:If you think some of the sentencing in the UK is lenient... 2011/03/26 14:49:50 (permalink)
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    Tac do you really think he'd only get 10 years in the UK? I mean I know there have been hideously lenient sentences for fairly brutal killings but I've never even heard of as sadistic a case as this over in these parts of the world. 17 days of torturing a 16 year old girl for absolutely no reason whatsoever? I would suspect that any judge would make an example of a person doing something like this. Obviously that's only speculation but I do think there would be a massive difference between handing out 10 years for 'just' brutally killing somebody, and handing out 10 years for intentionally keeping somebody alive and in pain for 17 days and then killing them (for one thing you'd be guilty of more crimes, but that's probably a side issue!)

    "Be adequate"
     
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    Re:If you think some of the sentencing in the UK is lenient... 2011/03/26 15:18:26 (permalink)
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    Come on , if he done that here he would get life with a minimum of 25 years at least and I wouldnt be surprised if he got life with no chance of parole.
     
    As CK said , its a pretty nasty crime.
     
     
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    Re:If you think some of the sentencing in the UK is lenient... 2011/03/26 15:30:15 (permalink)
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    Mate, there are places in the world where she would have been charged and as she had died, a member of her family would have been the one jailed for shaming the man.  The fact he even was considered at fault is a no small thing.

      




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    Re:If you think some of the sentencing in the UK is lenient... 2011/03/26 15:35:35 (permalink)
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    Jesus, she was only 16.
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    Re:If you think some of the sentencing in the UK is lenient... 2011/03/26 15:49:42 (permalink)
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    Jesus, she was only 16. 

     
     
    Yeah, I bet she was over the moon the day she got forced into that marriage.

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    Re:If you think some of the sentencing in the UK is lenient... 2011/03/26 15:56:46 (permalink)
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    By 2050 the UK will have elements of Sharia Law embedded into the judicial system.
     
    Your grandkids will love you for your apathy.
     
    (you can always show them your outrage on MT though)

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    Re:If you think some of the sentencing in the UK is lenient... 2011/03/26 15:59:41 (permalink)
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    Bookerman

    Jesus, she was only 16. 



    Yeah, I bet she was over the moon the day she got forced into that marriage.


    Thats what I thought...I suppose that makes sense.
     
    Im giving up on tolerence TBH...nuke them.
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    Re:If you think some of the sentencing in the UK is lenient... 2011/03/26 16:01:38 (permalink)
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    spencerslide

    By 2050 the UK will have elements of Sharia Law embedded into the judicial system.

    Your grandkids will love you for your apathy.

    (you can always show them your outrage on MT though)

     
    No law will ever be adopted that is contrary to your constitutional principles, even if they are 'unwritten' in your country, it would simply not be allowed by the mechanics of your separation of powers. It's just scaremongering to suggest that the UK will ever start to adopt 'honor killings' as mitigating circumstances to murder and torture, it's not going to happen!

    "Be adequate"
     
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    Re:If you think some of the sentencing in the UK is lenient... 2011/03/26 16:03:29 (permalink)
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    By 2050 the UK will have elements of Sharia Law embedded into the judicial system. 
      
    Your grandkids will love you for your apathy. 
      
    (you can always show them your outrage on MT though) 

     
    Is it not already? Also a judge in Florida said last week he was going to judge a case in line with Sharia Law. I'm sure we'll be shown the gratitude for our tolerance.

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    Re:If you think some of the sentencing in the UK is lenient... 2011/03/26 16:10:30 (permalink)
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    Bookerman
    Also a judge in Florida said last week he was going to judge a case in line with Sharia Law. I'm sure we'll be shown the gratitude for our tolerance.

     
    Yes he did, the case was a financial dispute between the trustees of a mosque, where the rights and duties of the office of trustee in such circumstances all derived from Sharia law, not common law. Every fact was essentially within the remit of Sharia law so he figured the most just way of dealing with it would be in the context of Sharia law. And I've definitely heard of cases of courts applying canon law in similar cases involving disputes within the church, etc. Not really the same thing that spencerslide is insinuating!

    "Be adequate"
     
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    Re:If you think some of the sentencing in the UK is lenient... 2011/03/26 16:21:29 (permalink)
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    spencerslide

    By 2050 the UK will have elements of Sharia Law embedded into the judicial system.

    Your grandkids will love you for your apathy.

    (you can always show them your outrage on MT though)


    No law will ever be adopted that is contrary to your constitutional principles, even if they are 'unwritten' in your country, it would simply not be allowed by the mechanics of your separation of powers. It's just scaremongering to suggest that the UK will ever start to adopt 'honor killings' as mitigating circumstances to murder and torture, it's not going to happen!


    Your assuming the 2 constitutional principle will remain the same...the current demographic will look very different by then, you have to change the constitution to what the majority will want...and unless something dramatic happens then the social landscape of the UK will be unrecognisable by 2050 (which may be no bad thing)
     
    http://www.telegraph.co.u...ing-our-continent.html

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    Re:If you think some of the sentencing in the UK is lenient... 2011/03/26 16:34:04 (permalink)
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    spencerslide

    By 2050 the UK will have elements of Sharia Law embedded into the judicial system.

    Your grandkids will love you for your apathy.

    (you can always show them your outrage on MT though)


    No law will ever be adopted that is contrary to your constitutional principles, even if they are 'unwritten' in your country, it would simply not be allowed by the mechanics of your separation of powers. It's just scaremongering to suggest that the UK will ever start to adopt 'honor killings' as mitigating circumstances to murder and torture, it's not going to happen!


    Your assuming the 2 constitutional principle will remain the same...the current demographic will look very different by then, you have to change the constitution to what the majority will want...and unless something dramatic happens then the social landscape of the UK will be unrecognisable by 2050 (which may be no bad thing)

    http://www.telegraph.co.u...ing-our-continent.html

     
    Yeah that is a valid point, but I mean 40 years isn't a massively long time, your legal system has developed over closer to a thousand years to what it is today which is effectively a system of checks and balances to prevent any institutional change which offends notions of natural justice and morality. I think natural law thinking is moving further and further away from notions of religion anyway, and closer to a universally accepted notion of morality from nature, and so even if Islam becomes more and more prominent in the UK its ideals will still be inconsistent with those that the common law has spent hundreds of years developing. The middle-east is different because their legal system developed alongside their religion and they are still very much intertwined.
     
    Also, given that I don't live in the UK and my notions of constitutional law are very much tinged by the fact that my country actually has a written constitution, I accept that I may not know as much about this as I might.
     
    PS. Whoever keeps 1-starring spencerslide's posts, can you please stop, he's raising very legitimate points!

    "Be adequate"
     
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    Re:If you think some of the sentencing in the UK is lenient... 2011/03/26 16:45:21 (permalink)
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    Good points CK
     
    Thing is mate, it has taken us a long time (and painful) to get where we are. Thing is change happens quickly now, we havent had time to adjust to the change. Demographic changes have accelrated like never before, information exchanges happen now, we live in the now.
     
    Differing cultural, religious, moral and ethical principals are being entwined and clashing at a rate/speed like never before.....no one has actually stopped and thought " what if this doesn't work"?

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    Re:If you think some of the sentencing in the UK is lenient... 2011/03/26 16:46:12 (permalink)
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    This is far worse in my opinion and in this country.
     
    The wife was a friend of my sisters so kind made me more angry.
     
    To think he finally admitted killing the boy in a rage of anger and gets 5 years, to serve what 3 max, disgusting.
    If i ever bumped into him in the street, he'd of wished he'd got longer.
     
    http://www.telegraph.co.u...-of-temper-jailed.html
     
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/h...shropshire/8238416.stm
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