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2006/07/12 14:36:57 (permalink)

Important Beginner Help!

Guys,

A friend and colleague at work is also into bodybuilding, and has recently spoken of beginning training every three to four days, meaning he wants to start hitting the same muscles again after a 3-4 day period, rather than waiting a full week for recovery. I've explained that you must wait a whole week before hitting the same muscle again. He's kind of convinced that he recovers and heals 'quicker' than most people, and so feels as though training the same musles after 3 or 4 days would be ok for him.

I've explained why he shouldnt, but it would carry a lot more weight being backed up by some of you guys on here as well.

Im just a little concerned that he's going to start overtraining.

Thanks chaps!
post edited by Magnitude - 2006/07/12 16:52:03

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    MT2006
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    RE: Importnat Beginner Support! 2006/07/12 14:44:08 (permalink)
    I would say hitting a muscle every 5-7 days is optimal for most people, I wouldn’t recommend every 3-4 days as over training could become an issue.
    Tell him that even if his muscles are not sore and feel fine the recovery process could, and probably is, still taking place. I imagine it’s the DOMS which he is experiencing is the thing he is using to decided whether he is recovered or not, and this method is very inaccurate.
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    RE: Importnat Beginner Support! 2006/07/12 15:19:14 (permalink)
    Agreed, DOMS (or end of) is not an indication of recovery. I have explained this, but he says that other than DOMS, he just feels that he doesnt need to wait longer than 3-4 days. That's why im trying to get as many on here to verify the recovery period, so that he doesnt venture into something that will be counterproductive in terms of gains.

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    RE: Importnat Beginner Support! 2006/07/12 15:26:57 (permalink)
    He can every 48 hours if he isn't using a hi intensity program.

    Some peope get on well with 3xfullbody workouts per week.

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    RE: Importnat Beginner Support! 2006/07/12 15:33:09 (permalink)
    That's also true Bunnykilla, but he's BULKING at the moment, and does high poundage, low reps, so i would still say the 7 days rest thing is important on this type of training.
    post edited by Magnitude - 2006/07/12 16:54:25

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    RE: Importnat Beginner Support! 2006/07/12 15:34:20 (permalink)
    Yes you can still still train a muscle after 48 hours as long the muscle is partially recovered and the CNS is fully recovered. Not training to failure and proper volume management is crucial here (click the you dont use a split link in my sig).
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    RE: Importnat Beginner Support! 2006/07/12 16:33:48 (permalink)
    I thought that part of bulking was to train to failure though? - ergo not to hit the intensity on that same muscle until the following week.

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    RE: Importnat Beginner Support! 2006/07/12 16:54:52 (permalink)
    MODS:
    Could you possibly move this thread into the 'training correctly' for me please?

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    RE: Importnat Beginner Support! 2006/07/12 17:22:35 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Magnitude

    I thought that part of bulking was to train to failure though? - ergo not to hit the intensity on that same muscle until the following week.


    Its a tool out of many tools, its certainly not the all and be end. There are many powerlifter, athletes who never train to failure yet look amazing
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    RE: Importnat Beginner Support! 2006/07/13 13:33:31 (permalink)
    Any more comments on this please?

    thanks.

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    RE: Important Beginner Help! 2006/07/13 23:03:41 (permalink)
    For me full body 3x week works better than splits.

    IMO HST and Bill Starr routines are laid out the best.

    If your mate wants to hit the heavier weights most of the time then direct him to the Bill Starr Single Factor or Dual Factor training.

    http://www.geocities.com/elitemadcow1/index.htm?200623

    HST is more a set of principles to set out your own training rather than a fixed routine.

    www.hypertrophy-specific.com
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