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2011/03/30 09:06:17 (permalink)
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Including the bar?

When you guys tell somebody how much weight you can lift do you include the weight of the bar?
 
Me and my mate were training yesterday and he was saying we were benching 20kg more than I thought we were because the bar weighed 20kg?
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    iaink
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    Re:Including the bar? 2011/03/30 09:17:03 (permalink)
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    Yes. You include the weight of the bar and collars (if they are a proper set of 2.5kg collars rather than spring ones).
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    Re:Including the bar? 2011/03/30 11:07:20 (permalink)
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    Herp derp.
     
    Just out of interest does anyone know how much the spring collars actually weigh? I don't usually bother using them but occasionally do for my working sets. The weight is likely insignificant but I'm just curious.
     
    They look like this:

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    Re:Including the bar? 2011/03/30 11:09:26 (permalink)
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    Just did a quick Google and the common answer is 1/2lb each (1lb for a pair)... Learn something every day.
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    Re:Including the bar? 2011/03/30 11:11:53 (permalink)
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    I wouldn never bother to add the weight of spring collars. Unless your using precison calibrated equipment the laod on the bar could variey by kg anyway
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    Re:Including the bar? 2011/03/30 11:13:04 (permalink)
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    So does the average bar weigh around 20kg?
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    Re:Including the bar? 2011/03/30 11:16:36 (permalink)
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    iaink

    I wouldn never bother to add the weight of spring collars. Unless your using precison calibrated equipment the laod on the bar could variey by kg anyway

     
    Oh definitely, I would never record the weight in my journal as extra because of the collars. Bars at my gym are pretty dodgy anyway, there are three kinds and apparently some are 20kg and some are 22kg. I just record it as 20kg every time.
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    Re:Including the bar? 2011/03/30 11:59:24 (permalink)
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    Yes you include the weight of the bar towards the total your lifting........and yes on average the bar weighs 20kgs.
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    Re:Including the bar? 2011/03/30 12:01:19 (permalink)
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    of course, if the bar weighs 20kg and youre lifting it then thats anotehr 20kg youre lifting :p
     
    only time i dont include bar is smith. should i include bar weight for smith? :s

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    Re:Including the bar? 2011/03/30 12:23:09 (permalink)
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    I'm old school so I always measure in plates, so:
     
    1 plate = 1 plate each side (45lb/ 20kg)
    2 plates = 2 each side etc etc
    Half a plate is 25lb / 10kg - these can be counted as well.
     
    So, for example, last night I deadlifted 4 plates for 2 sets, three and a half for 2 sets and 3 plates for 2 sets.
     
    Anything below this is defined as a biscuit, not to be counted as a plate and only used for progression - new lifting totals never count biscuits, just plates and half plates.
     
    Just my little way, and the way at our gym too for most
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    Re:Including the bar? 2011/03/30 12:41:29 (permalink)
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    What do you do if you trained at a place with 50kg or 25kg plates?
     
    I think people are best of actually counting weight than plates :)
     
     
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    Re:Including the bar? 2011/03/30 13:22:52 (permalink)
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    as said include the bar weight, a proper olympic bar (ones used for squatting benching in most gyms) is 20kg



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    Re:Including the bar? 2011/03/30 14:11:23 (permalink)
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    Ok cheers for the answers. Sorted.
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    Re:Including the bar? 2011/03/30 14:17:52 (permalink)
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    Bollard

    I'm old school so I always measure in plates, so:

    1 plate = 1 plate each side (45lb/ 20kg)
    2 plates = 2 each side etc etc
    Half a plate is 25lb / 10kg - these can be counted as well.

    So, for example, last night I deadlifted 4 plates for 2 sets, three and a half for 2 sets and 3 plates for 2 sets. 
      
    Anything below this is defined as a biscuit, not to be counted as a plate and only used for progression - new lifting totals never count biscuits, just plates and half plates.

    Just my little way, and the way at our gym too for most


    Try going by the numbers indicated on the discs - they are on their for a reason
     
    [I think thats what you were going for Rusev]
     
    post edited by iaink - 2011/03/30 20:40:37

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    Re:Including the bar? 2011/03/30 21:47:15 (permalink)
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    if you have scales at the gym
    just weigh the bar and collars.
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    Re:Including the bar? 2011/03/31 16:28:40 (permalink)
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    iaink

    What do you do if you trained at a place with 50kg or 25kg plates?

    I think people are best of actually counting weight than plates :)




     
    I'd not need to count as many plates!
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    Re:Including the bar? 2011/03/31 16:30:17 (permalink)
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    Rusev

    Bollard

    I'm old school so I always measure in plates, so:

    1 plate = 1 plate each side (45lb/ 20kg)
    2 plates = 2 each side etc etc
    Half a plate is 25lb / 10kg - these can be counted as well.

    So, for example, last night I deadlifted 4 plates for 2 sets, three and a half for 2 sets and 3 plates for 2 sets. 
     
    Anything below this is defined as a biscuit, not to be counted as a plate and only used for progression - new lifting totals never count biscuits, just plates and half plates.

    Just my little way, and the way at our gym too for most


    Try going by the numbers indicated on the discs - they are on their for a reason

    [I think thats what you were going for Rusev]


     
    I like counting plates, it's not my thread, so I have no issue with it.

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    Re:Including the bar? 2011/03/31 18:08:27 (permalink)
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    Yes.
     
    7ft olympic bar usually 20kg.
    6ft olympic bar usually 15kg (I think).
    Standard 1" diameter bars are about half the weight.
     
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