Increasing recovery post cycle

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2005/07/27 20:46:47 (permalink)

Increasing recovery post cycle

I stumbled accross this very interesting read about esters and recovery:

A comprehensive look at modern AAS cycling by ANDY 13 taken from www.steroidology.com

If you are planning a 10 week cycle, the goal is to be at highest blood concentrations for as many of the 10 weeks as possible.

If you use a long ester such as deca at xmg/week, it will take you 4-5 weeks to build up to max blood concentrations possible for xmg/week. So half of your cycle is not wasted, but you are not maximizing efficiency.

When coming off a cycle, the waiting period before Clomid therapy begins will vary depending on the type and dose of the AAS. If you ran 500mg/week of deca for 10 weeks, a month after your last shot, you will still have around 200mg of esterified deca in your system. This is more than enough to prevent recovery. This is the reason why recovery is more difficult with a deca (or another long acting ester).

Let's calculate the amount accumulated in the body after 6 weeks of 500mg/deca. Let's say you inject it once a week and we'll give it a 1.5 week half life. Note that injection frequency makes a huge difference in blood concentration stability but no difference in amount of esterified in the system

E (greek letter "sigma") 500*e^(ln(1/2)n/1.5) from n=0 to n=6. So after 6 weeks, about 1300mg of esterified nandrolone remain in the body.

Now lets see how long, after the initial injection, it takes to reduce to a small enough amount that permits recovery.

1300*e^(ln(1/2)n/1.5) After 3 weeks, 325 mg of esterified remain

after 6 weeks, 81 mg of esterified remain.

After 8 weeks, 32mg of esterified remain.

Most guys go with "time on=time off." This will not work with long esters as I have demonstrated above. For at least a month after your last shot you are in what I call a "time in-effiency" period where you are no longer reaping the benefits of you AAS but you are not recovering either. The goal of the modern cycle is to minimize this wasted time.

The key components are:
1) Front end loading this cuts down on wasted time in the beginning of your cycle waiting for the doses to reach full theraputic levels. This concept has been used before but (as far as I know) I was the first one to quantify it mathmatically. Zyg has taken the math one step further with a graph showing, visually, the importance. Graph of eq loading

The use of orals in the beginning of a cycle is a popular component of a cycle. While I don't feel it is a nessecity, it too is a (different) type of front end load. For the advnaced BBer, dbol should be taken in the beginning of a cycle as well as loading the injectables since the anabolic response from dbol is alleged to be by a different mechanism than most injectables. If one had to chose between a dbol load and and injectable load, in most cases, the injectable load should be prefered over the dbol load.

2) Injection frequency This is crucial to obtaining even blood concentrations of androgens. Ideally, the more often injected, the better. An acceptable rule of thumb is "inject at half of the half life." For instance, if the half life of a steroid is 7 days, this should be injected at least twice weekly. For cycles that involve multiple injectables, the injections should be fractioned out and divided up based on the injectable with the shortest half life. For instance, if you were doing a test propionate and deca cycle, the old school way to do it would be to inject the prop EOD and the deca once a week. Both compounds should not be viewed as separate, but together with total androgen concentration taken into consideration. If you injected the deca only once a week, probably along with one of the propionate injections, that day will have a much larger spike on total blood androgen concentrations. Instead, the deca should be split up and taken with the propionate injections, EOD. This way there is no one day of the week that has a "spike" and even blood concentrations are maintained throughout the week.

3) Ending the cycle Switching to shorter esters toward the end of a cycle makes perfect sence however not too many guys incorporate this practice- perhaps because of the lack of variety of drugs. The modern cycle should include replacing long ester injectables with shorter ones so that recovery time is made more efficient. The necesity of switching to shorter esters toward the end of a cycle depends on the type of drugs used. Longer esters such as deca and eq should be replaced with shorter acting versions of these compounds no later than four weeks before the end of a cycle. Medium length esters such as t-enanthate and cypionate should be replaced no later than three weeks before the end of a cycle. A couple examples of appropriate replacements are: trenbolone acetate and testosterone propionate. There is no need to "load" these compounds in the middle of a cycle since 1) they are already "fast acting" and 2) blood androgen concentrations are already high.

4) Recovery With the replacement of the faster acting injectables toward the end of a cycle, the "wasted" time between the end of a cycle and beginning of Clomid therapy is reduced. For instance, if 100mg TA is used ED, Clomid therapy may begin in as little as 5 days after the last shot. This tremendously impoves time efficiency. Clomid therapy usually last for four weeks. An excellent thread posted by The Iron Game describes this in further detail Clomid FAQ's .

When the above recomendations are made, your cycle itself is made much more efficient and if recovery time is made more efficient as well, time "off" AAS may very well be reduced so that the overall efficiency of AAS use over time is tremendously improved.


Now I have 2 dilemmas:

1. I want to run a 10 week test e cycle finishing off with prop for maximum recovery,

Does this mean that I should do

Test E 500mg ew 1 - 6
Test P 100mgeod 6 - 10

Is the above the best way to maintain constant blood levels, therefore being in the best state for recovery?

2. I have 10 weeks of deca durabolin at 400mg ew, obviously I will be running this alongside test but lets forget about the test for now, I dont have any fast acting deca so whats the best way I should run the deca in order to keep blood levels at as consistant as possible, im considering front loading, I dont mind if I stop the last jab at week 4 or 6 or something,

Please can someone give me a really good way of running the long acting deca for the most consistant blood levels?
post edited by volatile - 2005/07/27 20:47:12


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    RE: Increasing recovery post cycle 2005/07/27 20:50:08 (permalink)
    nice post dude
    will deffo think bout changing my esterts toward end of my next cycle.

    anymore opinions on these theories


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    RE: Increasing recovery post cycle 2005/07/27 20:55:03 (permalink)
    Great post. I think ill switch from enanthate to prop toward the end of my next cycle after reading that. Thanks mate
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    RE: Increasing recovery post cycle 2005/07/27 20:55:40 (permalink)
    aha, no probs dude, bump for more replys and answer to my questions!

    many thanks

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    RE: Increasing recovery post cycle 2005/07/27 20:57:37 (permalink)
    I just realised, maybe I should frontload the test e at the begining because it doesnt start until week 4 or something?

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    RE: Increasing recovery post cycle 2005/07/27 22:45:39 (permalink)
    Run the test e for 7 weeks. Front load with 1000mg and then continue with 250mg every 3 days. Im doing exactly this at the moment and have gone up 10lbs in 10 days. Im also running deca at 400mg pw but Im only shooting this once pw. Go with the prop, as youve already suggested, at 100mg oed or even better 100mg ed. Run this for the final 3 weeks.
    I think its debatable as to whether or not deca is a waste unless run for at least 10 weeks. Ive used it in the past fpr as little as 4 weeks and with good effect. Personally, with regards to your potential 10 weeker, Id be happy to run the deca for 7 weeks at 400mg and then switch to daily 50mg winnie shots.
    Pct can then then be started a couple of days after your last shots ie clomid and nolva for 3 weeks.
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