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Re: Is Trump's border wall the right thing to do? 2019/01/10 17:43:04 (permalink)
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I am not saying I am particularly "for" it, but I struggle to understand why people would be against it?  

To whose detriment would it be? Other than those that wish to cross, or transport good over the border illegally? 

Honestly, listening to some people you'd think that Donald Trump invented hard borders. 





the tax payer would get hit with not much benefit , even if it did exactly what you describe I.e. smuggling , is that a good thing ?

Smugglers do people a favour, the bring in goods that people happily pay for , or they try and make it cheaper by avoiding duties , the insane thing is to make it illegal in the first place .



It's also benefits US businesses as they can employ these illegal immigrants for less and make more profit;

https://www.independent.c...w-jersey-a8704171.html




Not really , that's the way it's spun though , it's benefits businesses because they can reduce prices (or keep them from rising )without cutting into profits and removing the whole incentive to have a business . Get rid of illegals , pay US citizens more and that price of goods will go up , customers will pay more , or the jobs will be outsourced to Mexico /India . A company needs profit and it's gets this from pleasing people and being competitive , no idea why it's become a dirty word , a company with profits hires and pleases a lot of people , a company with no profit long term dies.



I don't disagree with you. My post was meant to be tongue in cheek as Trump wants tax payers to pay for a wall to keep illegals out when his own businesses employ them.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if he has investments in construction companies who would "win" the contracts to build the wall.   


haha I get you!

welfare, taxes and government spending is the cause of all of these problems , a wall , free healthcare or any other poorly thought out gov programme will not fix it. everyone wants cheap labour/cheaper goods ! we need companies making more profits , more expansion ,more goods and services and more jobs. Even if the wall works labour costs will go up , prices will rise and demand will drop (supply/demand) which will create an environment for a recession. Trump and other companies will outsource to foreign companies to build stuff at a set price where they will be paid by there own national offices (at a low rate) so this will only hurt small businesses who rely on cheaper to survive.

bit like McDonald's CEO calling out for a higher min wage , but only if it was made law for everyone . they have economies of scale to have self service tills robotic burger flippers, the family run pubs/resteraunts will suffer/shut though. If he wants to pay a higher min wage there is nothing stopping him. Comes across like a do gooder when really he's a shyster.

Personally I think this is just a way to maintain candidate trumps election promises and to say I tried but congress didn't support me , that way he can do nothing and people will still support him. Clinton, Bush,Obama and trump haven't got good records of fulfilling there election promises . ask yourself would a private sector company ever dream of building a wall ? to keep cheaper labour out , increase prices/costs ? possibly the worst investment ever.
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Re: Is Trump's border wall the right thing to do? 2019/01/10 17:49:54 (permalink)
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He did have 2 years where his party had the house too and didn't push it through, which he could have done arguably without contest, he waited until the Dems had the house. I suspect none of his advisers were on side with him enough for him to go for it as that would have truly lost him face with his supporters when it failed but in the interest of party unity they can now back him on pursuing the wall knowing that it will get blocked and the Dems can be blamed stoking his base even more for the future.

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Re: Is Trump's border wall the right thing to do? 2019/01/10 18:25:20 (permalink)
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doc ask yourself would a private sector company ever dream of building a wall ? to keep cheaper labour out , increase prices/costs ? possibly the worst investment ever.


I would think they would see what everyone else does - that it won't actually work, so they might as well make money building it because they will still have a supply of cheap labour from people who travel over the border legally and overstay their visa.
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Re: Is Trump's border wall the right thing to do? 2019/01/10 18:56:26 (permalink)
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Re: Is Trump's border wall the right thing to do? 2019/01/10 20:09:06 (permalink)
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doc ask yourself would a private sector company ever dream of building a wall ? to keep cheaper labour out , increase prices/costs ? possibly the worst investment ever.


I would think they would see what everyone else does - that it won't actually work, so they might as well make money building it because they will still have a supply of cheap labour from people who travel over the border legally and overstay their visa.

True but in the private sector they would have to pitch to investors and not get a handout stolen from the tax payer . I can imagine it in Dragons den .
 
This is to keep cheaper labour out of the country ( bad idea)
its to keep illegals out of the country ( 31 foot ladder, we have planes/helicopters these days)
we would have military defend it ( extra costs)
The national debt would get bigger 
labour and prices would rise for everyone
it generates no revenue .
The voters who you steal from to pay for the wall will not like the prices increases.
If Jobs disappear to Mexico we will increase tariffs to make them less competitive ( hurts everyone)
 
what problems would this fix ? nothing!
Whats its USP ? nothing !
 
If Mexico where coming to the US with suicide vests and doing large scale terrorism , it might be a worthy investment but a bitter pill to swallow , to fix a trade imbalance its stupid!
 
If its that good an idea of stimulus and keynesianism and creates jobs building the wall then just blow it up when its finished and constantly rebuild it and while im at it ill flood my house and put paint stripper on my car , so i can create jobs in the auto and building sectors , we will all be better off then , backward logic!
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He did have 2 years where his party had the house too and didn't push it through, which he could have done arguably without contest, he waited until the Dems had the house. I suspect none of his advisers were on side with him enough for him to go for it as that would have truly lost him face with his supporters when it failed but in the interest of party unity they can now back him on pursuing the wall knowing that it will get blocked and the Dems can be blamed stoking his base even more for the future.




 
This , hes not dumb enough to build a wall , hes just done it at a time he can save face . This will make Mexicans much more competitively though and will no doubt grow their economy in the long run .
 

post edited by doc - 2019/01/10 20:13:52
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