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2019/01/10 00:19:09 (permalink)
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Is Trump's border wall the right thing to do?

I don't know. Is there more effective ways for border control? 
 

 

 
 
 

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    Re: Is Trump's border wall the right thing to do? 2019/01/10 08:31:37 (permalink)
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    The one in China kept the Mexicans out so yeah, it’s a complex question but it’s probably the cheapest option in the long run. They could mine a buffer zone, have a series of electrical fences or use the situation for training in the military like MI5 et al have used in Northern Ireland, you know like don’t actually fix the problem as it’s useful for that purpose.

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    Re: Is Trump's border wall the right thing to do? 2019/01/10 09:32:45 (permalink)
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    I never understood why instead of building a wall they dont just dig a bloody great trench surely that would have been easier to maintain long term. 

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    Re: Is Trump's border wall the right thing to do? 2019/01/10 09:37:14 (permalink)
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    No. Most (two thirds) of the illegal immigrants did not sneak across the border, they entered legally (by air for example) then overstayed their visa. 
     
    So no kind of physical wall is going to address that, wouldn't the money be better spent tackling the main problem?
     
    Source: https://eu.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/01/08/facts-donald-trumps-border-wall-address-nation-immigration-shutdown-column/2503981002/ 
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    Re: Is Trump's border wall the right thing to do? 2019/01/10 10:04:00 (permalink)
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    It works in Israel.
    He better get something out of it or he’s done.

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    Re: Is Trump's border wall the right thing to do? 2019/01/10 10:41:31 (permalink)
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    Exercise in futility IMO.

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    Re: Is Trump's border wall the right thing to do? 2019/01/10 11:29:16 (permalink)
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    No. Most (two thirds) of the illegal immigrants did not sneak across the border, they entered legally (by air for example) then overstayed their visa. 
     
    So no kind of physical wall is going to address that, wouldn't the money be better spent tackling the main problem?
     
    Source: https://eu.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/01/08/facts-donald-trumps-border-wall-address-nation-immigration-shutdown-column/2503981002/ 




    You do realise its not just people he's trying to stop moving ? It could work if they do it but chances of it happening are slim. I hope he does it through just to prove a point. 

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    Re: Is Trump's border wall the right thing to do? 2019/01/10 11:45:18 (permalink)
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    No, futile , expensive and will make everyone worse off. There's a much easier cheaper solution.

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    Re: Is Trump's border wall the right thing to do? 2019/01/10 11:58:15 (permalink)
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    I am not saying I am particularly "for" it, but I struggle to understand why people would be against it?  
     
    To whose detriment would it be? Other than those that wish to cross, or transport good over the border illegally? 
     
    Honestly, listening to some people you'd think that Donald Trump invented hard borders. 
     
     
     

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    Re: Is Trump's border wall the right thing to do? 2019/01/10 12:13:19 (permalink)
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    doc
    No, futile , expensive and will make everyone worse off. There's a much easier cheaper solution.

    https://youtu.be/C52TlPCVDio


    Cant watch now but is it to open the borders and totally stop welfare?? Oh the horror

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    Re: Is Trump's border wall the right thing to do? 2019/01/10 12:52:43 (permalink)
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    Dr Z
    I am not saying I am particularly "for" it, but I struggle to understand why people would be against it?  
     
    To whose detriment would it be? Other than those that wish to cross, or transport good over the border illegally? 
     
    Honestly, listening to some people you'd think that Donald Trump invented hard borders. 
     
     
     


    A lot of money for something that doesn't solve or even change the problem.
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    Re: Is Trump's border wall the right thing to do? 2019/01/10 12:53:34 (permalink)
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    Dr Z
    I am not saying I am particularly "for" it, but I struggle to understand why people would be against it?  
     
    To whose detriment would it be? Other than those that wish to cross, or transport good over the border illegally? 
     
    Honestly, listening to some people you'd think that Donald Trump invented hard borders. 
     
     
     


    the tax payer would get hit with not much benefit , even if it did exactly what you describe I.e. smuggling , is that a good thing ?

    Smugglers do people a favour, the bring in goods that people happily pay for , or they try and make it cheaper by avoiding duties , the insane thing is to make it illegal in the first place .
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    Re: Is Trump's border wall the right thing to do? 2019/01/10 12:57:40 (permalink)
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    Dr Z

    To whose detriment would it be?
     


    The US tax payer.

    $5bn will barely scratch the surface of it's total.cost including maintaining it.

    He's manufacturing a crisis so he can put his name on something tangible.

    Why isn't Mexico paying for it like he said they would?
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    Re: Is Trump's border wall the right thing to do? 2019/01/10 13:06:56 (permalink)
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    Of course, I should have included that caveat in my post, I can totally understand people worrying about paying for it. but the cost isn't the objection I hear voiced most often,  It is the supposed humanitarian cost of depriving people of a border that people can violate on a whim which people tend to rattle on about.
     I just can't understand why anyone would feel anyone is entitled to such a border, or deprived by not having one? 
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    Re: Is Trump's border wall the right thing to do? 2019/01/10 13:25:09 (permalink)
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    Dr Z
    I am not saying I am particularly "for" it, but I struggle to understand why people would be against it?  
     
    To whose detriment would it be? Other than those that wish to cross, or transport good over the border illegally? 
     
    Honestly, listening to some people you'd think that Donald Trump invented hard borders. 
     
     
     


    the tax payer would get hit with not much benefit , even if it did exactly what you describe I.e. smuggling , is that a good thing ?

    Smugglers do people a favour, the bring in goods that people happily pay for , or they try and make it cheaper by avoiding duties , the insane thing is to make it illegal in the first place .
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    Re: Is Trump's border wall the right thing to do? 2019/01/10 13:33:07 (permalink)
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    I am not saying I am particularly "for" it, but I struggle to understand why people would be against it?  
     
    To whose detriment would it be? Other than those that wish to cross, or transport good over the border illegally? 
     
    Honestly, listening to some people you'd think that Donald Trump invented hard borders. 
     
     
     


    the tax payer would get hit with not much benefit , even if it did exactly what you describe I.e. smuggling , is that a good thing ?

    Smugglers do people a favour, the bring in goods that people happily pay for , or they try and make it cheaper by avoiding duties , the insane thing is to make it illegal in the first place .



    It's also benefits US businesses as they can employ these illegal immigrants for less and make more profit;
     
    https://www.independent.c...w-jersey-a8704171.html
     
     
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    Re: Is Trump's border wall the right thing to do? 2019/01/10 14:09:40 (permalink)
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    Plus the real reason for opposition is they expect anyone coming in to be democrats when they get amnesty

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    Re: Is Trump's border wall the right thing to do? 2019/01/10 15:41:59 (permalink)
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    Dr Z
    I am not saying I am particularly "for" it, but I struggle to understand why people would be against it?  

    To whose detriment would it be? Other than those that wish to cross, or transport good over the border illegally? 

    Honestly, listening to some people you'd think that Donald Trump invented hard borders. 





    the tax payer would get hit with not much benefit , even if it did exactly what you describe I.e. smuggling , is that a good thing ?

    Smugglers do people a favour, the bring in goods that people happily pay for , or they try and make it cheaper by avoiding duties , the insane thing is to make it illegal in the first place .



    It's also benefits US businesses as they can employ these illegal immigrants for less and make more profit;
     
    https://www.independent.c...w-jersey-a8704171.html
     
     


    Not really , that's the way it's spun though , it's benefits businesses because they can reduce prices (or keep them from rising )without cutting into profits and removing the whole incentive to have a business . Get rid of illegals , pay US citizens more and that price of goods will go up , customers will pay more , or the jobs will be outsourced to Mexico /India . A company needs profit and it's gets this from pleasing people and being competitive , no idea why it's become a dirty word , a company with profits hires and pleases a lot of people , a company with no profit long term dies.
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    Re: Is Trump's border wall the right thing to do? 2019/01/10 15:49:35 (permalink)
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    It's not trendy to esteem people or corporations/businesses who are successful.
     
    It's not fair to the great unwashed.

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    Re: Is Trump's border wall the right thing to do? 2019/01/10 16:17:45 (permalink)
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    Dr Z
    I am not saying I am particularly "for" it, but I struggle to understand why people would be against it?  

    To whose detriment would it be? Other than those that wish to cross, or transport good over the border illegally? 

    Honestly, listening to some people you'd think that Donald Trump invented hard borders. 





    the tax payer would get hit with not much benefit , even if it did exactly what you describe I.e. smuggling , is that a good thing ?

    Smugglers do people a favour, the bring in goods that people happily pay for , or they try and make it cheaper by avoiding duties , the insane thing is to make it illegal in the first place .



    It's also benefits US businesses as they can employ these illegal immigrants for less and make more profit;
     
    https://www.independent.c...w-jersey-a8704171.html
     
     


    Not really , that's the way it's spun though , it's benefits businesses because they can reduce prices (or keep them from rising )without cutting into profits and removing the whole incentive to have a business . Get rid of illegals , pay US citizens more and that price of goods will go up , customers will pay more , or the jobs will be outsourced to Mexico /India . A company needs profit and it's gets this from pleasing people and being competitive , no idea why it's become a dirty word , a company with profits hires and pleases a lot of people , a company with no profit long term dies.



    I don't disagree with you. My post was meant to be tongue in cheek as Trump wants tax payers to pay for a wall to keep illegals out when his own businesses employ them.
     
    I wouldn't be surprised if he has investments in construction companies who would "win" the contracts to build the wall.   
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