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2009/07/24 11:56:11 (permalink)

My username has nothing to do with my religious beliefs.....
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    paulthebuilder
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    Re:Is anyone really surprised? 2009/07/24 12:02:17 (permalink)
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    Yes, TBH.
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    Re:Is anyone really surprised? 2009/07/24 12:04:06 (permalink)
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    nope

    calm down, its life, mate, its only a game
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    Re:Is anyone really surprised? 2009/07/24 12:06:42 (permalink)
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    No

    I do a lot of push ups and sit ups. And I drink plenty of milk.

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    Re:Is anyone really surprised? 2009/07/24 12:07:14 (permalink)
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    Shocked TBH.  I mean, how stupid do they have to be to get caught?  Only the no-hopers actually get caught and baned, not the stars.
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    Re:Is anyone really surprised? 2009/07/24 12:08:02 (permalink)
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    rightyho

    Yes, TBH.


    Really.
     
    These days I presume they are all on "supplements".
     
    Jamaice has a partuclarly shambolic out of season system as well.

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    Re:Is anyone really surprised? 2009/07/24 12:08:04 (permalink)
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    No, not in the slightest.
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    Re:Is anyone really surprised? 2009/07/24 12:08:12 (permalink)
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    Not here either.
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    Re:Is anyone really surprised? 2009/07/24 12:11:31 (permalink)
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    rightyho

    Yes, TBH.


    Really.
     
    These days I presume they are all on "supplements".
     
    Jamaice has a partuclarly shambolic out of season system as well.


    I'm surprised they tested positive. Shows a lack of knowledge of clearance times/masking agents, or complete ignorance wrt natural substances which can give false positives.

    Let me predict either: a nandrolone result which will be explained away as eating too many avocadoes, or a wonky test/epitest ratio.
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    Re:Is anyone really surprised? 2009/07/24 12:18:31 (permalink)
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    I'm surprised they tested positive. Shows a lack of knowledge of clearance times/masking agents, or complete ignorance wrt natural substances which can give false positives.




    I agree you would have thought theyd have the common sense/knowledge...obviously not
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    Re:Is anyone really surprised? 2009/07/24 12:23:30 (permalink)
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    Yes, TBH.


    Really.

    These days I presume they are all on "supplements".

    Jamaice has a partuclarly shambolic out of season system as well.

     

    I'm surprised they tested positive. Shows a lack of knowledge of clearance times/masking agents, or complete ignorance wrt natural substances which can give false positives.

    Let me predict either: a nandrolone result which will be explained away as eating too many avocadoes, or a wonky test/epitest ratio.


    Possibly over confidence or an expectation that there were no tests coming up for a while.
     
    Maybe their coaches aren't as experienced as some of the larger countries who have a lot more history.
     
    incidentally, have they imported any coaches to train their runners?
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    Re:Is anyone really surprised? 2009/07/24 12:29:45 (permalink)
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    Not suprised that high level sprinters are on 'supplements'.

    Quite suprised that high level sprinters managed to get caught on 'supplements'.

    Rediculously suprised that the tests that caught them out were on their own soil. Jamaican sprinters caught out in Jamaica...mental.


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    Re:Is anyone really surprised? 2009/07/24 13:12:39 (permalink)
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    Yes, TBH.


    Really.

    These days I presume they are all on "supplements".

    Jamaice has a partuclarly shambolic out of season system as well.


    I'm surprised they tested positive. Shows a lack of knowledge of clearance times/masking agents, or complete ignorance wrt natural substances which can give false positives.

    Let me predict either: a nandrolone result which will be explained away as eating too many avocadoes, or a wonky test/epitest ratio.


    Or kissing someone with steroids on their lips...

    My username has nothing to do with my religious beliefs.....
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    Re:Is anyone really surprised? 2009/07/24 13:19:28 (permalink)
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    rightyho

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    rightyho

    Yes, TBH.


    Really.

    These days I presume they are all on "supplements".

    Jamaice has a partuclarly shambolic out of season system as well.


    I'm surprised they tested positive. Shows a lack of knowledge of clearance times/masking agents, or complete ignorance wrt natural substances which can give false positives.

    Let me predict either: a nandrolone result which will be explained away as eating too many avocadoes, or a wonky test/epitest ratio.


    Actually the world anti doping agency (WADA) list covers masking agents as well IIRC, full list here;

    http://www.wada-ama.org...ENG_Final_20_Sept_08.pdf

    Nandrolone positives are a funny one though, amongst the claims have been sex with a pregnant woman, eating a bowl of spag bol.

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    Re:Is anyone really surprised? 2009/07/24 13:48:14 (permalink)
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    I was involved in athletics to a fairly decent level mixing and mingling with competitors all sorts of talent including the top for about 10 years, 5 of those years as a senior in the late 90s.
     
    In all that time I NEVER saw or was offered any supplements. We didn't even go for creatine when it first came out.
     
    It was only when I started getting into the bbing scene that I suddenly discovered an abundance of drugs (performance as well as recreational). Hmmmmm.
     
    Athletics is one of the most tested sports and I know that MOST athletes are pretty badly off financially so really can't afford HGH, AAS etc. Anyone at national level had to report their whereabouts for the season ahead, months ahead so they could be randomly tested at any time.
     
    My conclusion has been that athletics is a very 'clean' sport. It's also a very difficult and dedicated sport since the rewards are little - very much like bbing.
     
    Always intrigued me that there haven't been any major performance enhancing discoveries in the football world. With so much money involved and the matches becoming more intense wouldn't there be some temptation to take some sort of enhancement.
     
    Then again I don't know much about footy so I'll shut up.
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    Re:Is anyone really surprised? 2009/07/24 13:55:42 (permalink)
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    There have been a handful of footballers caught, details escape me at present.  Overall its an issue of risk/reward I guess.  You need loads of attributes to be a good footballer, whereas to bodybuild/run/throw etc, you are concentrating on a narrower range of abilities.  Easier to find a drug or stimulant to meet a specific requirement rather than a general range of requirements I guess.   The less you take the easier to hide it and not get caught.

    Another potential factor is that footballers are full time, they have been training for years and there might not be great benefits from drugs anyway.  Many athletes/swimmers etc don't have time to dedicate to their sport (unless they are chinese etc) so drugs may provide a bigger payback.

    Do you think you maybe didn't see drugs that much as sometimes they may actually be coming from the 'top' so although this country is clean, others might not be?

    I don't have much experience of drugs in sport really, although I do know anecdotes of some rugby players at lower levels who have been taking things.
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    Re:Is anyone really surprised? 2009/07/24 14:03:28 (permalink)
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    gingernut

    I was involved in athletics to a fairly decent level mixing and mingling with competitors all sorts of talent including the top for about 10 years, 5 of those years as a senior in the late 90s.
     
    In all that time I NEVER saw or was offered any supplements. We didn't even go for creatine when it first came out.
     
    It was only when I started getting into the bbing scene that I suddenly discovered an abundance of drugs (performance as well as recreational). Hmmmmm.
     
    Athletics is one of the most tested sports and I know that MOST athletes are pretty badly off financially so really can't afford HGH, AAS etc. Anyone at national level had to report their whereabouts for the season ahead, months ahead so they could be randomly tested at any time.
     
    My conclusion has been that athletics is a very 'clean' sport. It's also a very difficult and dedicated sport since the rewards are little - very much like bbing.
     
    Always intrigued me that there haven't been any major performance enhancing discoveries in the football world. With so much money involved and the matches becoming more intense wouldn't there be some temptation to take some sort of enhancement.
     
    Then again I don't know much about footy so I'll shut up.


    I take your point under advisement because I never have mixed in those circles, however drugs are dirt cheap these days even a course of HGH is a fraction of what it once was. For elite athletes I think the evidence strongly suggests they all are.
     

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    Re:Is anyone really surprised? 2009/07/24 14:04:48 (permalink)
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    I want to know who they are. Says they will be informed later today.

    Considering it says 2 of the Men caught are members of the 100m relay team it raises the odds of it being Powell or Bolt.


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    Re:Is anyone really surprised? 2009/07/24 17:22:25 (permalink)
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    Seems like some kind of public relations stunt this. Sacrifice some athletes so that the claims about Jamaican drug use go away for a while

    What would surprise me would be if Bolt or Powell are amongst the failed. I don't think they'd want to sacrifice their best

    You never know though


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    Re:Is anyone really surprised? 2009/07/24 17:33:50 (permalink)
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    Been said its non of the big names.

    That may mean they're been protected or it's lower people trying to keep up or catch up.

    Basically it's not Bolt or Asafa, it's all i care about.
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