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2015/01/14 22:25:34 (permalink)
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Is feeling lethargic/tired when bulking unavoidable?

Feel soooo much better when cutting, sleep better too....just can't handle the tired feeling when bulking....
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Re: Is feeling lethargic/tired when bulking unavoidable? 2015/01/14 22:33:51 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby WhiteSnake 2015/01/14 22:56:03
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I would've thought it would be other way round.



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Re: Is feeling lethargic/tired when bulking unavoidable? 2015/01/14 22:36:26 (permalink)
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Maybe you are intolerant to something you are eating when bulking?
 
Tinned coconut milk made me feel ill and tired. Stopped eating it and felt fine. 
 
Maybe try and narrow down what different foods you are eating, and experiment cutting one of them out?
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Re: Is feeling lethargic/tired when bulking unavoidable? 2015/01/14 22:39:18 (permalink)
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Also try eating more fibre. This Has Helped Me In The Past.
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Re: Is feeling lethargic/tired when bulking unavoidable? 2015/01/14 22:39:58 (permalink)
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It is avoidable. What are you eating?

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Re: Is feeling lethargic/tired when bulking unavoidable? 2015/01/14 22:42:11 (permalink)
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I would've thought it would be other way round.


No. Think about....less carbs....not as bloated.....my mate feels the same too....
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Re: Is feeling lethargic/tired when bulking unavoidable? 2015/01/14 22:43:58 (permalink)
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Aye. Play around with your diet. Replace carbs with more fats.
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Re: Is feeling lethargic/tired when bulking unavoidable? 2015/01/14 22:46:01 (permalink)
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It is avoidable. What are you eating?

Was eating....as I'm now cutting.....anyway was having oats or Fuel oat creal w/milk....2 pieces of toast (wholemeal) mid morning...then rice with chicken.....used to have MRP but then stopped them as even they were making me bloated - so changed to plain whey...banana......post workout....cottage cheese.....and 3 or so protein bars a week....
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Re: Is feeling lethargic/tired when bulking unavoidable? 2015/01/14 22:56:43 (permalink)
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I would've thought it would be other way round.


Same here. My energy never feels optimal when in a deficit.
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Re: Is feeling lethargic/tired when bulking unavoidable? 2015/01/14 23:45:15 (permalink)
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exactly WS im much more energetic with plenty of carbs in me.
 
Still each to there own.



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Re: Is feeling lethargic/tired when bulking unavoidable? 2015/01/15 08:36:24 (permalink)
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exactly WS im much more energetic with plenty of carbs in me.
 
Still each to there own.


I still have carbs when cutting just not as much when I bulk. I think part of my problem was I used to eat too late in the morning ie 7.45-8ish so next meal was 10am on my break...maybe not enough time for the 1st meal to digest.
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Re: Is feeling lethargic/tired when bulking unavoidable? 2015/01/15 08:48:22 (permalink)
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Increased calories particularly from Carbs will increase melatonin levels resulting in lethargy. 
As Chorley says try manipulating your macros. 
 

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Re: Is feeling lethargic/tired when bulking unavoidable? 2015/01/15 09:48:56 (permalink)
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Increased calories particularly from Carbs will increase melatonin levels resulting in lethargy. 
As Chorley says try manipulating your macros. 
 




Or trying some form of macro timing instead.

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Re: Is feeling lethargic/tired when bulking unavoidable? 2015/01/15 09:50:09 (permalink)
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Sounds to me like you're eating a sh*t diet, or too many calories, as redwing said it should be the other way around.

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Re: Is feeling lethargic/tired when bulking unavoidable? 2015/01/15 10:48:22 (permalink)
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Increased calories particularly from Carbs will increase melatonin levels resulting in lethargy. 
As Chorley says try manipulating your macros. 
 




This. Learning to utilise and manipulate your CHO when cutting AND bulking is a fine art.
 
Read this; http://www.benpakulski.com/i-really-dont-think-i-will-ever-eat-carbs-at-breakfast-as-long-as-i-want-to-continue-building-muscle/
 
 

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Re: Is feeling lethargic/tired when bulking unavoidable? 2015/01/15 11:00:38 (permalink)
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The article is rubbish.

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Re: Is feeling lethargic/tired when bulking unavoidable? 2015/01/15 11:02:18 (permalink)
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Other way round for me too.
 
When bulking I used to still time my carbs so that the lethargy would not be a problem.  Fat would be my fuel of choice at other times.  More calories and easier to consume.

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Re: Is feeling lethargic/tired when bulking unavoidable? 2015/01/15 11:14:18 (permalink)
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makaveli1971 1996

The article is rubbish.




I disagree. Granted it's not based on much other than his own personal opinion but I pretty much practise what he preaches as a result of reading up on some case studies off some well respected scientists in the nutritional field and have to say I feel a hundred times better than when I used to kick start my day with a huge bowl of oats. I
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Re: Is feeling lethargic/tired when bulking unavoidable? 2015/01/20 19:42:33 (permalink)
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makaveli1971 1996
The article is rubbish.


"Interestingly after 911 sales in high carb foods skyrocketed. Carbs are basically self medicating … Meaning people eat them to put themselves to sleep."

I stopped reading after these sentences....
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Re: Is feeling lethargic/tired when bulking unavoidable? 2015/01/20 23:25:19 (permalink)
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makaveli1971 1996
The article is rubbish.


"Interestingly after 911 sales in high carb foods skyrocketed. Carbs are basically self medicating … Meaning people eat them to put themselves to sleep."

I stopped reading after these sentences....



Why? I don't think you should underestimate the effect of not being able to utilise CHO properly might have on some people. OP asked if feeling tired/lethargic when bulking is avoidable. I figured by posting an article by an IFBB Professional Bodybuilder it might encourage him to try what I suggest rather than just take my word for it. I do agree the article is a little dramatic however.
 
As I said, and as I'm sure you know, some people cannot utilize carbohydrates as well as others, maybe they already have cells that are full or in essence have impaired absorption so the body keeps producing insulin trying to push these CHO in to cells. Thus why a lot of people feel "tired" after eating carbohydrates- sound familiar?
 
By skipping CHO at breakfast, studies have shown that this can trigger metabolic flexibility, which basically means that you're able to respond to CHO more effectively later in the day, presumably post workout. Surely an ideal scenario, right?
 
I'm not saying this IS THE case for OP and essentially it might not make the smallest of differences; however it did for me which is why I suggested it.

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