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Mick of Gateshead
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2015/01/28 18:03:47 (permalink)
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Is it racist?

We have been on an equality and diversity course today and were told to use the word black to describe a black person and that calling someone coloured could be seen as being racist.
 
Years ago people used the word coloured and black was seen as being racist. Why was this changed and who decides what is right and wrong and do black people find the word coloured offensive?
 
 
 
 
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Re: Is it racist? 2015/01/28 18:28:24 (permalink)
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Horses for causes mate. In the usa they can't say black. They say African American. There's no right answer. To be honest the pc brigade get offended by anything, you're pretty much not 'allowed' to say anything without offending someone. Just say what you think fits (well...sometimes not a good idea)

What I mean is sometimes it's the intention that's racist rather than the word.

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Re: Is it racist? 2015/01/28 18:52:16 (permalink)
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Yeah I agree, some words are obviously racist just this I didnt understand and wanted to know why the change. Your right about the intention though
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Re: Is it racist? 2015/01/28 19:06:04 (permalink)
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Pretty sure the right term has always been black or negro. Nowadays negro carries a very negative connotation in english speaking countries but that's actually the original world used by the portuguese and spanish for the indigenous people when they started colonizing Africa. "Black" is the literal translation of "negro" so the meaning is exactly the same, people just read too much into these things.
 
"Coloured" is a stupid made up politically correct term that doesn't clearly refer to any race. "Coloured" could be any colour".
 
I also find it stupid to call caucasians "white" and make a distinction from asians. Asians have white skin too don't they?
 
Also the ridiculous concept in american culture of how anyone with a hint of black ancestry is "black". It does show a hint of deeply buried racism as anyone who has any bit of black genes is somehow "tainted" and not a "real white" any more.
post edited by Uriel - 2015/01/28 19:07:13
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Re: Is it racist? 2015/01/28 19:24:30 (permalink)
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Things have gone beyond silly now,  The rule of thumb is that if the person saying it is white, and what they say could be deemed racist, then it most certainly is.  
 
In a sensible world people would look and intentions rather that just pick a word and call it 'racist'. 
 
I'd add that I've probably never heard a *insert this months acceptable word a black person* man complain about this,  but I've heard many, many left wing fascists be offended on their behalf, in advance. 

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Re: Is it racist? 2015/01/28 19:30:09 (permalink)
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Just heroes changing the rules to make themselves feel good. Black will be the new coloured in a few years time.

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Re: Is it racist? 2015/01/28 19:47:34 (permalink)
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I have never known a time when 'coloured' was deemed to be an appropriate term.
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Re: Is it racist? 2015/01/28 20:01:42 (permalink)
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Yep the worlds become as sensitive as a virgins bell end when it comes to race, sexuality etc.

I mean I'm white and a black person or who ever could refer to me as white boy or what ever term they choose to use, and it wouldn't bother me in the slightest, and I would laugh it off for what it is.

Sure some terms such as 'n*gger' are a little offensive, especially coming from the wrong person.

But for me it's how it is said, thats what really matters.

I.e 'what's up black man' 'what's up my n*gger'

'You black c*nt' 'you f*cking n*gger'

Clearly a big difference.

And the fact every single black rapper etc, refers to black people as n*gger this, n*gger that, in their music shows you how offensive that really is to them, but again as I said above it's how it's said that counts.

Referring to me as white boy, or bruv or what ever isn't really going to bother me, however saying 'oi you white f*cking c*nt' is.

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Re: Is it racist? 2015/01/28 20:29:13 (permalink)
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By strange co-incidence, actor Benedict Cumberbatch was in the news today for 'falling foul' of this very thing...

"Benedict Cumberbatch has apologised after referring to black actors as “coloured” during an interview on US television, saying he is “devastated” to have caused offence.

The Sherlock actor said he was “an idiot” after he used the phrase during a debate, ironically about the diversity problems that black British actors face in the UK compared to the US, which he argued has been more open to casting them.

Talking on the Tavis Smiley show on PBS, Cumberbatch said: “I think as far as coloured actors go, it gets really different in the UK, and a lot of my friends have had more opportunities here [in America] than in the UK, and that’s something that needs to change.”

Reaction was mixed after the actor – who has been nominated for an Oscar for his role in The Imitation Game – used the outdated term, with many praising the sentiment of his argument but lamenting his poor choice of words.

A spokesperson for the anti-racism charity Show Racism the Red Card, told the Independent: “Benedict Cumberbatch has highlighted a very important issue within the entertainment industry and within society. In doing so, he has also inadvertently highlighted the issue of appropriate terminology and the evolution of language.”

They added that the organisation feels the term “has the potential to cause offence due to the connotations associated with the term and its historical usage”.

In a statement Cumberbatch said: “I’m devastated to have caused offence by using this outmoded terminology. I offer my sincere apologies. I make no excuse for my being an idiot and know the damage is done.”

Cumberbatch found himself in a race controversy last year, when Stacey Cumberbatch, the city commissioner in New York, told the New York Times that she believed Cumberbatch’s fifth great-grandfather had owned her ancestors, who were held at a sugar plantation in Barbados.

The actor has spoken about his family’s past as slave owners and revealed that his mother once advised him to not use his name professionally in case of reparations claims by the descendants of slaves.

The PBS debate came at a time when British actors are enjoying high-profile success in Hollywood. Last year Chiwetel Ejiofor was nominated for an Oscar for his portrayal of Solomon Northup in 12 Years a Slave – in which Cumberbatch co-starred. This year David Oyelowo has won praise for his performance in Ava DuVernay’s film Selma.

Many black British actors have found that opportunities in the States have far exceeded those at home. Idris Elba’s career took off after he crossed the Atlantic for a role as Baltimore’s cerebral drug dealer Stringer Bell in The Wire, while Thandie Newton, Carmen Ejogo and Naomie Harris have all taken leading roles in American films and TV shows.

Last year in the UK, Lenny Henry spoke out about the lack of non-white people working in television and called for channels to reflect the country’s ethnically diverse population."
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Re: Is it racist? 2015/01/28 20:34:00 (permalink)
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Facepalm.
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Re: Is it racist? 2015/01/28 22:25:28 (permalink)
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The power endowed to  harmless terminology gives people of any other race a loaded weapon to be as offended as they want to be. Why some toff would be "devastated" over this is laughable.
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Re: Is it racist? 2015/01/29 08:12:52 (permalink)
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why call them black when they are not black though...more brown or like a tan depending on parents...
 
Cumberbatch snivelling to the helen lovejoys of the world is an example how bumbling some people become when they hear someone is offended. Fck off.... so what? He said the correct term in the wrong decade. The terms switch so cause no offence every decade or so...
 
To save face and an acting career from over cautious angry white people he belted out a full prostrated apology.
 
"i'm offended by that statement!"
"errr...so fcking what"

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Re: Is it racist? 2015/01/29 09:09:12 (permalink)
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I don't get why it's offensive, what if you were referring to someone and you didn't know whether they were black or mixed race - what is the 'correct' term for that? If you call them black when they aren't, or mixed race when they aren't, then surely that's worse? 
 
Also how can you refer to someone as 'African American' or whatever without knowing their full ancestral history? What if they are of Caribbean descent?
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Re: Is it racist? 2015/01/29 09:36:29 (permalink)
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What about calling someone brown ??
on Sky Sports News yesterday, Tiger Woods was explaining that he was watching his girlfriend ski and was wearing a ski mask so he wouldn't get noticed. He said "you don't get many brown dudes at ski slopes"
If a white person called someone brown would they get pulled up for not saying the exact politically correct word of the day / week / year ??   
As long as you don't use terminology that deliberately sets out to offend someone ...... does it really matter ?
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Re: Is it racist? 2015/01/29 10:31:48 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby WayoftheDave 2015/01/29 11:51:55
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It's not offensive, and these people don't get offended....  It's just another excuse to become the victim.  Being a victim puts you in a more powerful position.
 
The powers that be also like to constantly remind us of our differences (race, religion, age, sex, upperclass, lowerclass, leftwing, rightwing, benefit scrouger, rich elite), as the masses are far weaker when they're divided, plus it's far easier to get away with stuff when the people you control are bickering among themselves :)
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: Is it racist? 2015/01/29 12:53:11 (permalink)
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It doesn't bother me weather someone describes me as coloured or black or brown. But If someone did describe me as coloured I'd feel like it was a bit old fashioned and as we all know in the old days racism was more prominent and accepted then it is today. So it would possibly get me wondering if the person describing had racist views or if they were raised by someone who may have had them. (I wouldn't really think all this on the spot of being described as coloured)
 
Anyway I tend to describe myself as being brown or black.
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Re: Is it racist? 2015/01/29 13:05:20 (permalink)
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Who the hell uses coloured these days?

It's not about offending posh politicians you numpties. I have black friend's that would find it disrespectful if you called then coloured. It's a word that was used when racism was a lot more common and so has negative connotations, like nigg*r.

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Re: Is it racist? 2015/01/29 15:36:47 (permalink)
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ITs ridiculous that the world has come to this. Of course you are coloured I mean white and black are pure monochrome colours. Brown, yellow, Pink blue are the colours in between. 
 
I get really annoyed with these people that say oops I caused offence sorry. Better off to say look if i say this I'm racist if i say that I'm racist so I am saying this and if you don't like it **** off you bunch of liberal c0ck suckers. 

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Re: Is it racist? 2015/01/29 15:51:47 (permalink)
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It is quite glorious to see these far left luvvies drop themselves in it like this. Then sit back and watch them squirm. Old Sherlock has definitely lost the Oscar now though. The Academy cannot be seen to be rewarding a rabid fascist like him.

LoL @ the absurdity of it all.
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Re: Is it racist? 2015/01/29 17:04:32 (permalink)
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It doesn't bother me weather someone describes me as coloured or black or brown. But If someone did describe me as coloured I'd feel like it was a bit old fashioned and as we all know in the old days racism was more prominent and accepted then it is today. So it would possibly get me wondering if the person describing had racist views or if they were raised by someone who may have had them. (I wouldn't really think all this on the spot of being described as coloured)
 
Anyway I tend to describe myself as being brown or black.




 
See you don't even bloody well know what colour you are so how are we meant to guess at a suitable one lol. 
 
Just asked my indian mate if he would mind to be called black brown coloured indian or man from the sub continent. His reply was " Any of that is is better than the usual stupid cnut/bell end/rapist/kiddy fiddler you lot yell at me when were skiing or in the bar" !!!

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