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2009/07/19 11:10:07 (permalink)

Is job advert wording like this legal?

Taken from a national recruitment agency website today:

Amazing opportunity to join a growing company based in central staines who are looking for a graduate preferably with a math or accountancy degree.
Preference will be given to candidates who have achieved a 2;1 and have studies at top ranking universities.
We also have similar positions for graduates from a business related or science related background.
No experience necessary but some office based skills would help any application.

Is the preference for top uni attendance legal?

What's next?

"Wanted, burger flipper with GCSEs from grammar school. No state school-type oiks to apply?"


post edited by rightyho - 2009/07/19 11:12:54
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    tac
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    Re:Is job advert wording like this legal? 2009/07/19 11:17:19 (permalink)
    AFAIK

    Why wouldnt it be legal?

    I think employers can ask for pretty much what they like as long as it isnt covered by legislation on racial or sexual discrimination


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    Re:Is job advert wording like this legal? 2009/07/19 11:19:10 (permalink)
    Do they mean 'uptown top-rankin' universities? (And ting).

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    Re:Is job advert wording like this legal? 2009/07/19 11:36:53 (permalink)
    Pretty sure you can't discriminate against anything, so I would say that is illegal.
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    Re:Is job advert wording like this legal? 2009/07/19 12:00:02 (permalink)
    tac, would this be legal:

    Amazing opportunity to join a growing company based in central staines who are looking for a graduate preferably with a math or accountancy degree.
    Preference will be given to candidates who have achieved a 2;1 and are under 12% bodyfat and, preferably, taller than average, too.
    We also have similar positions for graduates from a business related or science related background.
    No experience necessary but some office based skills would help any application.
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    Re:Is job advert wording like this legal? 2009/07/19 12:07:09 (permalink)
    Don't see a problem with it mate. It is pretty ambiguous though, who knows what a top university is?

    All job adverts have to discriminate to a certain extent.
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    Re:Is job advert wording like this legal? 2009/07/19 12:43:35 (permalink)
    i think the laws we have on advertising jobs are pretty rediculous already,  soon you will only be able to say

    we have a job, please apply if you fancy it.
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    Re:Is job advert wording like this legal? 2009/07/19 12:45:53 (permalink)
    What I'm getting at dazc is that this ad is placed by a recruitment agency which can then filter applicants.
    Someone with a first from a "lesser" uni who has staggering knowledge and much industry-relevant experience garnered from other walks of life may not get a look in and may be filtered out because their uni isn't on "the list" though they may, in truth, be otherwise ideal for the job and a better proposition than those who do make it through the filter.
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    Re:Is job advert wording like this legal? 2009/07/19 12:48:45 (permalink)
    Been happening since 1998 at least.
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    Re:Is job advert wording like this legal? 2009/07/19 12:50:21 (permalink)
    rightyho

    What I'm getting at dazc is that this ad is placed by a recruitment agency which can then filter applicants.
    Someone with a first from a "lesser" uni who has staggering knowledge and much industry-relevant experience garnered from other walks of life may not get a look in and may be filtered out because their uni isn't on "the list" though they may, in truth, be otherwise ideal for the job and a better proposition than those who do make it through the filter.


    yeah in that respect i can see your point.  it would be the employer that loses out due to their university snobbery.  Unfortunately there is a good deal of that goes on, and as far as i know degrees from some universities are seen as 'better' that the same from another.  I guess based on the fact that the smaller less well known universities tend to be less strict on the application and acceptance criteria, and one could resonable presume that the best cindidates went to the universities with the strictest criteria?  Though this wouldnt take into account those with the ability but lack of financial support to attend them.
     
     
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    Re:Is job advert wording like this legal? 2009/07/19 13:06:54 (permalink)
    dazc

    i think the laws we have on advertising jobs are pretty rediculous already, 


    Which laws specifically?

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    Re:Is job advert wording like this legal? 2009/07/19 13:08:31 (permalink)
    rightyho

    tac, would this be legal:

    Amazing opportunity to join a growing company based in central staines who are looking for a graduate preferably with a math or accountancy degree.
    Preference will be given to candidates who have achieved a 2;1 and are under 12% bodyfat and, preferably, taller than average, too.
    We also have similar positions for graduates from a business related or science related background.
    No experience necessary but some office based skills would help any application.


    Like I said, Im no expert on employment law, but afaik thats ok.

    Think you can advertise for Geminis only if you want - unless its all changed under european law.

    If I was setting up an exclusive health club and looking to project a certain image I prob would give preferance to taller, slimmer candidates , whether I said so in the ad or not


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    Re:Is job advert wording like this legal? 2009/07/19 13:13:04 (permalink)
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    dazc

    i think the laws we have on advertising jobs are pretty rediculous already, 


    Which laws specifically?


    the ones that prevent me from saying 'preferance will be given to white british, middle class, hetrosexual males between the ages of 20 and 40 with no criminal record and full clean driving licence'
     
     
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    Re:Is job advert wording like this legal? 2009/07/19 13:17:04 (permalink)
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    dazc

    i think the laws we have on advertising jobs are pretty rediculous already, 


    Which laws specifically?


    the ones that prevent me from saying 'preferance will be given to white british, middle class, hetrosexual males between the ages of 20 and 40 with no criminal record and full clean driving licence'
     
     


    thats definitely illegal.

    I still think you can advertise for Gemini's with a 't' in their first name if you wish though...


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    Re:Is job advert wording like this legal? 2009/07/19 13:18:25 (permalink)
    tac

    thats definitely illegal.

    I still think you can advertise for Gemini's with a 't' in their first name if you wish though...


    lmao! 
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    Re:Is job advert wording like this legal? 2009/07/19 13:18:39 (permalink)
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    dazc

    i think the laws we have on advertising jobs are pretty rediculous already, 


    Which laws specifically?


    the ones that prevent me from saying 'preferance will be given to white british, middle class, hetrosexual males between the ages of 20 and 40 with no criminal record and full clean driving licence'
     
     


    Thats something the a fire service add would NEVER say...

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    Re:Is job advert wording like this legal? 2009/07/19 13:25:08 (permalink)
    So, this is legal?

    A vacancy exists for a trainee mathematical modeller. Only firsts from Oxford will be considered. In addition, your forename will be Thomas or Clarissa, you will be over 6ft (male) or 5'10" (female), good-looking, hard-working and also have an interest in playing chess, scuba-diving and artificial bull insemination. You will be an Aquarius, preferably from the early end of the zodiac sign's spectrum. Your parents should have attended Oxford, too, and hold firsts.
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    Re:Is job advert wording like this legal? 2009/07/19 13:27:35 (permalink)
    lol!
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    Re:Is job advert wording like this legal? 2009/07/19 13:30:22 (permalink)
    dazc
     I guess based on the fact that the smaller less well known universities tend to be less strict on the application and acceptance criteria, and one could resonable presume that the best cindidates went to the universities with the strictest criteria?  Though this wouldnt take into account those with the ability but lack of financial support to attend them.


    This doesn't make sense to me - nor does looking at GCSEs/A-levels when you have a degree. People change a lot between 17/18 and mid 20s.
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    Re:Is job advert wording like this legal? 2009/07/19 13:38:16 (permalink)
    Paracelsus

    dazc
    I guess based on the fact that the smaller less well known universities tend to be less strict on the application and acceptance criteria, and one could resonable presume that the best cindidates went to the universities with the strictest criteria?  Though this wouldnt take into account those with the ability but lack of financial support to attend them.


    This doesn't make sense to me - nor does looking at GCSEs/A-levels when you have a degree. People change a lot between 17/18 and mid 20s.


    sorry mate i think your misunderstanding me, i wasnt saying that it was correct or made sense, just that it is the way that many people seem to think in the academic world
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