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2015/01/27 11:00:18 (permalink)
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Is 'racial preference' racist?

Spin-off thread from another website I frequent.
 
If you express a preference (or avoidance) of a race in terms of who you find attractive, do you think that's racist? If so, why and if not, why not?
 
Can you equate race to something like hair colour and say, "well I'm only attracted to blondes and black/Indian/Chinese people have black hair so I wouldn't be attracted to them" - what if any of those races dyed their hair blonde?
 
I don't have any racial preference, hot is hot in my book! 
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Re: Is 'racial preference' racist? 2015/01/27 11:12:48 (permalink)
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It's not racist; it's preference.
 
Same as sexual orientation: you prefer men, I prefer women.  Is that homophobia because I don't like men?
 
post edited by James - 2015/01/27 11:33:20
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Re: Is 'racial preference' racist? 2015/01/27 11:15:06 (permalink)
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What James said. But tbh I will bang anything female thats hot DoA. 

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Re: Is 'racial preference' racist? 2015/01/27 11:16:01 (permalink)
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If you express a preference (or avoidance) of a race in terms of who you find attractive, do you think that's racist? If so, why and if not, why not?




Not racist in the usual negative sense of the word. To me racism implies discriminating against someone in terms of their human rights or job opportunities etc not whether you want to have sex with them. Most people aren't attracted to fat people and we all know this but we don't go around castigating people for being fattist. You like what you like, it's not a choice.
 
I would also add that if it is racist then I would say the whole world is racist, surely each race tends to prefer others of the same race?
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Re: Is 'racial preference' racist? 2015/01/27 11:19:43 (permalink)
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It's no racist; it's preference.
 
Same as sexual orientation: you prefer men, I prefer women.  Is that homophobia because I don't like men?



Hmm, I don't really think that's the same - otherwise your sexual orientation would be down to race as well as gender. Orientation isn't a preference. 
 
I don't think it's racist to have a preference, as everyone has physical characteristics that they find attractive and ones they don't, I think it's a little different if you express avoidance though. 
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Re: Is 'racial preference' racist? 2015/01/27 11:22:32 (permalink)
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To me racism implies discriminating against someone in terms of their human rights or job opportunities etc not whether you want to have sex with them.
 

 
Surely denying someone the chance to sample your D is denying their human rights? :-D
 
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I would also add that if it is racist then I would say the whole world is racist, surely each race tends to prefer others of the same race?



I don't necessarily think that's true! 
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Re: Is 'racial preference' racist? 2015/01/27 11:24:18 (permalink)
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In my single days, I grew up in a mainly white town. So my main partners were made up of white females, so all other races then became a treat, and as a result were desired more. Hence why trips abroad were always more fun. Local women with accents, different skin colours etc were amazing. 
 
I have no real preference though, as already said hot is hot. 

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Re: Is 'racial preference' racist? 2015/01/27 11:28:12 (permalink)
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I believe it is a form of racism, it is stating racial preferences.
 
From the dictionary: prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior
 
In bold, you are discriminating against someone due to their race, maybe subconsciously and you are not doing it to offend, but I still believe it is a form of racism.
I am also not saying that I do not suffer from it, although given I have been in a relationship for such a long time, I have not needed to consider it. 
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Re: Is 'racial preference' racist? 2015/01/27 11:34:57 (permalink)
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In bold, you are discriminating against someone due to their race, maybe subconsciously and you are not doing it to offend, but I still believe it is a form of racism.



This is also what made me think about it, we had to take an Equality & Diversity course at work recently and part of it was saying about subconscious bias and things you say that you don't mean to be, but are prejudicial. It works both ways though, if you say something like "I like Asian chicks cos they are petite with tight snatches" even though as far as you're concerned you're being positive, it's actually racist because you're bringing the race of the person into the discussion when it should be irrelevant, the fact you like tight snatches and petite chicks is independent of race.
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Re: Is 'racial preference' racist? 2015/01/27 11:36:28 (permalink)
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Strictly speaking it's racism. But fortunately the political correctness lobby doesn't yet have the kind of pull to tell you who you can or cannot be attracted to. In finding a mate no criteria is "wrong", because liking that person is the most important thing. If you don't like them, no point in the relationship at all.
 
So race, gender, height, weight, beauty, money, status, personality, all is fair game so long as you're honest with yourself and with the other about what you want.
 
I have a thing for asians, big tits and I don't find pure blooded black women attractive at all. Sue me.
post edited by Uriel - 2015/01/27 11:38:05
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Re: Is 'racial preference' racist? 2015/01/27 11:43:21 (permalink)
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http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/race-attraction-2009-2014/
 
I think the tables in this article sum it up pretty well.
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Re: Is 'racial preference' racist? 2015/01/27 11:56:31 (permalink)
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In bold, you are discriminating against someone due to their race, maybe subconsciously and you are not doing it to offend, but I still believe it is a form of racism.



This is also what made me think about it, we had to take an Equality & Diversity course at work recently and part of it was saying about subconscious bias and things you say that you don't mean to be, but are prejudicial. It works both ways though, if you say something like "I like Asian chicks cos they are petite with tight snatches" even though as far as you're concerned you're being positive, it's actually racist because you're bringing the race of the person into the discussion when it should be irrelevant, the fact you like tight snatches and petite chicks is independent of race.




LOL, I didn't even mean it like that, I purely meant that you subconsciously make preferences.
So for example through school I initially had a preference for petite voluptuous blondes (so naturally they were always white)
However as I matured (thats a lie, I have still not matured) as I aged, looking back on it now, this changed as I dated all arabic girls at school. However I never dated any pakistani or indian girls. Now was this a subconscious choice, I believe so.
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Re: Is 'racial preference' racist? 2015/01/27 11:57:18 (permalink)
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In bold, you are discriminating against someone due to their race, maybe subconsciously and you are not doing it to offend, but I still believe it is a form of racism.



This is also what made me think about it, we had to take an Equality & Diversity course at work recently and part of it was saying about subconscious bias and things you say that you don't mean to be, but are prejudicial. It works both ways though, if you say something like "I like Asian chicks cos they are petite with tight snatches" even though as far as you're concerned you're being positive, it's actually racist because you're bringing the race of the person into the discussion when it should be irrelevant, the fact you like tight snatches and petite chicks is independent of race.



It's not irrelevant. If you like 'petite chicks with tight snatches', and if it were also true that Asian girls tend to have those features more than other races, then it is perfectly logical to say you prefer Asian girls for that reason. If it's racism, it's a positive kind of racism.
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Re: Is 'racial preference' racist? 2015/01/27 11:59:57 (permalink)
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I think my point is it's not racist to point out physical differences between races. On average, black women have bigger 'booties' than white women. It's not racist to say that, any more than it is sexist to say 'Boys have a penis and girls have a vagina'.
 
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Re: Is 'racial preference' racist? 2015/01/27 12:15:50 (permalink)
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I think my point is it's not racist to point out physical differences between races. On average, black women have bigger 'booties' than white women. It's not racist to say that, any more than it is sexist to say 'Boys have a penis and girls have a vagina'.
 





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Re: Is 'racial preference' racist? 2015/01/27 12:28:50 (permalink)
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^^Of course, where do you think I learnt that from!
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Re: Is 'racial preference' racist? 2015/01/27 13:15:35 (permalink)
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is the question an example of why white middle class people tie themselves up in knots over issues that do not exist nor create issues? Yes
I think every council or state HR department are creating a pamphlet for their staff though on how to discourage racial discrimination when it comes to dating

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Re: Is 'racial preference' racist? 2015/01/27 13:20:27 (permalink)
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Strictly speaking, yes, it is racist.
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Re: Is 'racial preference' racist? 2015/01/27 13:30:00 (permalink)
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I believe its simply preference rather than being racist.
It isnt saying that one doesnt like other races/hair colours etc. it just sying that one prefers a certain physical appearance. 
Personally I find dark skin very attractive but I wouldn`t say I dislike fair skin. 

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Re: Is 'racial preference' racist? 2015/01/27 13:49:58 (permalink)
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Strictly speaking it's racism. But fortunately the political correctness lobby doesn't yet have the kind of pull to tell you who you can or cannot be attracted to. In finding a mate no criteria is "wrong", because liking that person is the most important thing. If you don't like them, no point in the relationship at all.
 
So race, gender, height, weight, beauty, money, status, personality, all is fair game so long as you're honest with yourself and with the other about what you want.
 
I have a thing for asians, big tits and I don't find pure blooded black women attractive at all. Sue me.



Agreed, the bottom line is that race-based attraction/deterrence is racist - HOWEVER, racism (in and of itself) doesn't ABSOLUTELY require a dislike of the race in question.  I have a friend who is openly racist about my race in a "You're not one of the 95% of bad ones mate" way, I still think he's utterly misguided and just needs to chat to some of my mates/family, YET we get on like a house on fire - go figure. 
 
I myself am genetically programmed not to find oriental women fckable - twice I've nearly bedded one (or rather, two) and twice something in the deepest recesses of my mind screamed "Don't do it", so I didn't.   One of my closest friends is a Chinese girl, I've told her all this, she smiled and said, "You're not the first person who feels that way".  I've got NOTHING else at all against Orientals - I just don't want to shag a lady from Shanghai. 
 
Same about PURE black girls, I can count on the fingers of ONE hand the amount I've seen in my life where I thought, "Yeah I'd smash her front door down". 
 
(South) Asian girls - either too scrawny (from being vegetarians or food-dodgers) or too plump from going the other way, very few FIT examples.
 
Interesting topic. 
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