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2014/12/13 09:14:29 (permalink)
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Jogging - Treadmill or Road?

I'm thinking of introducing some more cardio work into my programme in the New Year but it's a long time since I did any actual running.
Just wondering if you guys had preferences for either using a treadmill or actually going out and running on the pavements?
Pros and cons? :)
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Re: Jogging - Treadmill or Road? 2014/12/16 15:54:18 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby Floydy 2014/12/16 17:53:09
Depends on whether you see running as something to endure or enjoy...
 
Outside is far more enjoyable, and off road increases that enjoyment.  Apps like Strava allow you to track your routes and get loads of data which makes you compete with yourself.
 
The treadmill allows you to do it without experiencing the weather, and is slightly sprung so takes some stress off your joints if you're a heel striker.

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Re: Jogging - Treadmill or Road? 2014/12/16 17:59:09 (permalink)
It's my joints I'm concerned about. I used to run 5+ miles every night after my bodybuilding session, but that was in the 90's when I was in my late 20's-early 30's. Now I'm 50 I am more concerned about the pressure and pounding on my knees, ankles, hips etc. The body's general wear and tear areas. 
 
My main reason for wanting to begin running (or jogging) again is to keep my weight down, in particular my waistline and general gym training has no effect. Since I started this post I've been forming a new programme for the New Year and atm I have some cardio pencilled in once a week. The treadmill, cross trainer, etc bore me to tears which is why I thought about hitting the road again. I'll probably do this first thing in a morning after my night shift.
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Re: Jogging - Treadmill or Road? 2014/12/16 19:15:53 (permalink)
The road is always better for me, i can't stand running on a treadmill.
 
I can do no more than 3 or 4 minutes on a treadmill before i am bored out of my mind, unless of course there is a very fit lass on a machine in front of me with her ass jiggling, then i can last a few more minutes
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Re: Jogging - Treadmill or Road? 2014/12/16 19:24:14 (permalink)
I do zero impact cardio so not jogging. Bike or swimming. Like yourself I just want to be careful with the joints. No probs myself but want to keep it that way. A good pair of trainers is a must obviously.
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Re: Re: Jogging - Treadmill or Road? 2014/12/16 19:59:58 (permalink)
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The road is always better for me, i can't stand running on a treadmill.
 
I can do no more than 3 or 4 minutes on a treadmill before i am bored out of my mind, unless of course there is a very fit lass on a machine in front of me with her ass jiggling, then i can last a few more minutes

Exactly mate! :rolleyes:
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Re: Re: Jogging - Treadmill or Road? 2014/12/18 10:30:29 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby M2tan 2015/07/24 20:28:59
Floydy, I used to be the same mate.  I did triathlon in my late twenties to early thirties and kept getting knee issues until I eventually had to pull right back on all running.
 
I got back into running last year and sure enough the knees started to ache again.  Physio helped pin point the issue (over developed quads from years of squats pulling the knee caps in).
 
After chatting to some runners, they advised on some reading material to improve my running technique.  I now run bare foot style and have absolutely no knee issues (fore foot strike rather than heel strike).  All stress is absorped by the feet, achilles and calves and does not carry into the knee.
 
If you want to get back into running, I strongly adivise reading 'born to run', it's a great story and sports book.

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Re: Re: Re: Jogging - Treadmill or Road? 2014/12/18 13:38:07 (permalink)
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Floydy, I used to be the same mate.  I did triathlon in my late twenties to early thirties and kept getting knee issues until I eventually had to pull right back on all running.
 
I got back into running last year and sure enough the knees started to ache again.  Physio helped pin point the issue (over developed quads from years of squats pulling the knee caps in).
 
After chatting to some runners, they advised on some reading material to improve my running technique.  I now run bare foot style and have absolutely no knee issues (fore foot strike rather than heel strike).  All stress is absorped by the feet, achilles and calves and does not carry into the knee.
 
If you want to get back into running, I strongly adivise reading 'born to run', it's a great story and sports book.

Very interesting to see this mate. Thanks, and I'll look into the book. :thumbup1:

Much of my treadmill work is a done walking as fast as I can without running - set at about 7-7.2 kp/h, with a very slight incline of 1 or 1.5. This ensures I'm placing most of the pressure on my toes and soles of the feet which appears to be better for the knees and strengthens the calves at the same time.
I'll then do a mild jog at around 10, increasing to 14 at one-minute intervals. That is if I don't actually go out pounding the streets instead!
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Re: Re: Re: Jogging - Treadmill or Road? 2014/12/19 05:49:33 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby M2tan 2015/07/24 20:29:56
Muscle preservation is best achieved with stationary cardio.  Walking on the treadmill with the incline at level 15 or more - there are a lot of factors when it comes to the amount of time spent on the treadmill.
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Re: Re: Re: Jogging - Treadmill or Road? 2014/12/19 16:03:59 (permalink)
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Muscle preservation is best achieved with stationary cardio.  Walking on the treadmill with the incline at level 15 or more - there are a lot of factors when it comes to the amount of time spent on the treadmill.


A very good point mate and this sort of thing is probably just as energetic as a weight loss routine and also having the benefits of strength playing its part too. Especially in the hams. Something for me to add to my routine when I get it started :) 
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Re: Re: Re: Jogging - Treadmill or Road? 2014/12/19 16:12:42 (permalink)
Treadmill for me. 5k 3x/week.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Jogging - Treadmill or Road? 2014/12/19 21:58:46 (permalink)
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Treadmill for me. 5k 3x/week.

That's enormous willpower. How do you eleviate the boredom factor mate? I get fed up after a couple of minutes.
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Re: Re: Jogging - Treadmill or Road? 2015/01/04 18:27:14 (permalink)
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Floydy, I used to be the same mate.  I did triathlon in my late twenties to early thirties and kept getting knee issues until I eventually had to pull right back on all running.
 
I got back into running last year and sure enough the knees started to ache again.  Physio helped pin point the issue (over developed quads from years of squats pulling the knee caps in).
 
After chatting to some runners, they advised on some reading material to improve my running technique.  I now run bare foot style and have absolutely no knee issues (fore foot strike rather than heel strike).  All stress is absorped by the feet, achilles and calves and does not carry into the knee.
 
If you want to get back into running, I strongly adivise reading 'born to run', it's a great story and sports book.




Other than born to run, any other material you can suggest for gait retraining? I've also had bad patellofemoral pain and toyed with minimalist footwear but hadn't changed my running style. 
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Re: Re: Re: Jogging - Treadmill or Road? 2015/01/04 20:04:24 (permalink)
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Muscle preservation is best achieved with stationary cardio. 


Sounds awesome, sign me up!
post edited by phil3030 - 2015/01/04 20:05:27

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Re: Re: Re: Jogging - Treadmill or Road? 2015/02/23 22:03:57 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby M2tan 2015/07/24 20:30:18
Actual road/off road running, but first go to a decent shop get some gait analysis and proper trainers.  I struggle with the treadmill and I often don't feel I get anything like the workout from it - you can almost just jump and scissor your legs and let the road move underneath you.  There is a running machine called the 'curve' I think, that is good for HIIT.
 
If you are worried about stress on joints then why not try spin.  I have never found I lose muscle mass from spin/HIIT.  I often try and do 2-3 45 minute sessions per week, and use pre-workout drink, and a workout drink with some BCAA's after.  Average calorie burn in 45 minutes is 400-500kcals.
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