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2005/07/22 23:45:40 (permalink)

Joint supplements

My dad has a bad knee and the doctor recommended him Glucosamine, hes been takin it for a while now but it hasn't done anything so far, apparantly theres 2 other things you can take to help bad joints, chondroitin or something? and another thing which I can't remember, anyone got any links to where I can buy a combination of the 3 in capsule/tablet form for my dad?

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    RE: Joint supplements 2005/07/23 00:55:06 (permalink)
    MSM and Chondroitin would be the other two. I wouldn't bother with the MSM to be honest. What is the problem with his knees?

    Glucosamine might take a while to have effects. How long has it been and at what dosage?


     
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    RE: Joint supplements 2005/07/23 00:57:09 (permalink)
    Yes, this is important - what dosage is he on per day? Is the knee problem cartilage related?

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    ORIGINAL: youngitalianbabe

    MSM and Chondroitin would be the other two. I wouldn't bother with the MSM to be honest. What is the problem with his knees?

    Glucosamine might take a while to have effects. How long has it been and at what dosage?

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    RE: Joint supplements 2005/07/23 03:25:55 (permalink)
    glucosamine taken WITH chondroitin is said to have a much stronger effect than a stand-alone.
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    RE: Joint supplements 2005/07/23 21:53:49 (permalink)
    I asked him what the problem was and he said 'my cartiledge has been warn down and now cuz its not there my bones are rubbing together - the doctor said its from years of running around with a bergen on my back in the RAF' , now I don't know if thats possible, or what hes telling me is correct, but there it is, straight out of the horses mouth.

    As for dosage, hes taking an 1/8th of a teaspoon a day, taking it for a month now, I don't know what that is in grammes.

    post edited by sillynarbie - 2005/07/23 21:57:00
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    RE: Joint supplements 2005/07/23 23:00:56 (permalink)
    Is it powder or liquid?

    Mizzica..he has totally worn down his cartilage
    That's pretty severe...does he have some knee condition then because of that? What else did the doctor say? Did he give any kind of nonsurgical solution to the problem?

    Anyways, there are some things that he can do to take care of the pain before considering surgery type thing. I fractured my cartilage last year and I'm still dealing with it now. Anyways..from what I can see he should do a couple of things..

    Strengthen the muscle around the knee but avoid high impact things, no kneeling and squating in most cases either.
    -Good idea to ice it after exercise to take it ease on the swelling..that'll be more painful. Even after a day of walking a lot I tend to ice it as it eventually starts to hurt.
    -Might need to tape it, I was supposed to but stopped and it doesnt make a difference now, it did at the beginning though...
    -Can take an anti-inflammatory or pain-reliever thing if it does hurt or swell.
    -Continue with the glucosamine and can try the chondrotin as well I think. Not sure what the deal is with his cartilage though so it's a guess.


     
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    RE: Joint supplements 2005/07/23 23:02:19 (permalink)
    btw...might take a while longer than a month. I noticed a difference after about 6 weeks I believe and I was at 2000mg per day of glucosamine.


     
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    RE: Joint supplements 2005/07/26 02:12:34 (permalink)
    glucosamine and chondroitin ( attracts fluid to joint, repairs soft connective tissues)

    flaxseed oil (aids in joint lubrication)

    vitamin c (speeds recovery and acts as antioxidant to avoid free radical damage often mainly in joints)

    selenium (antioxidant benefits)

    MSM is another one ive heard good things about but dont know much on im afraid

    calcium?

    hope his knee gets better - all the best!

    if you're going through hell. keep going.
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    RE: Joint supplements 2005/07/26 02:15:36 (permalink)
    I wouldn't bother with MSM to be honest...


     
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    RE: Joint supplements 2005/07/27 14:09:12 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Lewandad

    glucosamine taken WITH chondroitin is said to have a much stronger effect than a stand-alone.


    I put a post up about this a few weeks ago in this section, asking if Glucosamine was any good on its own as i found a place to buy it for £2.99 for 90 50mg capsules.

    http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/Glucosamine_without_chrondroitin/m_602691/tm.htm

    I was told it was ok on its own.

    Now I'm not sure

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    RE: Joint supplements 2005/07/27 14:24:13 (permalink)
    Id take a much higher dosage than that, I found it most effective at twice the recomended dose of "high strength" glucosamine and chrondroitin complex.
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    RE: Joint supplements 2005/07/27 16:24:26 (permalink)
    It's fine on its own. I've seen articles where they say chondroitin has benefits and others that say it doesn't. It might also depend on what you need it for. Another thing you have to keep in mind is that adding chondroitin is expensive so make sure you get a reputable source that puts the proper amounts in their supplements. Can check consumerlab.com for a few that have passed the test I believe.

    I haven't seen the studies on glucosamine and chondroitin in a while..I'll check my links and see what I can dig up for you Bencher.


     
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    RE: Joint supplements 2005/07/27 16:34:34 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: youngitalianbabe

    It's fine on its own. I've seen articles where they say chondroitin has benefits and others that say it doesn't. It might also depend on what you need it for. Another thing you have to keep in mind is that adding chondroitin is expensive so make sure you get a reputable source that puts the proper amounts in their supplements. Can check consumerlab.com for a few that have passed the test I believe.

    I haven't seen the studies on glucosamine and chondroitin in a while..I'll check my links and see what I can dig up for you Bencher.


    ok thanks very much YIB The glucosamine I buy is so cheap i originally thought it must be substandard. I only srated taking it realy when i developed elbow tenonitus easter time. I'm not sure if its actually helped but i take 1500mg each day nevertheless!

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    RE: Joint supplements 2005/07/27 16:34:35 (permalink)
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    RE: Joint supplements 2005/07/27 18:43:07 (permalink)
    Hmm...you have tennis elbow right?

    As I keep looking through things I notice the repetitive recommendation to use a liquid glucosamine product to help with the symptoms. The liquid might be more easilier absorbed I think. I've developped a tendonitis at the knee as well and I seem to be doing fine with the capsules, I believe in 'solid' form they'd be pretty water soluble or whatnot and therefore easily absorbed as well. Have been curious about the liquid form though so I'm going to switch in a couple weeks and see how it goes.

    Do you ever ice it? Does it hurt a lot?

    I'd be tempted to up the dose to 2000mg for a while. I did that at the beginning till things got a bit better and then reduced the dose of glucosamine to 1500mg.

    Anyways, in the end, combining both supplements may be beneficial.

    http://www.article-emporium.com/health-1242.htm

    There's someone that has elbow tendonitis and speaks about his supplement use and makes a few points. That's only one view really, there's tons more information out there. Understanding what both supplements do in the body would be a good...


     
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    RE: Joint supplements 2005/07/27 19:41:59 (permalink)
    I have some problems with my right knee, and I've started using glucosammine sulphate a couple of months ago, taking 1.5g each day. I have to say that now my knee fells way better, I don't hear it 'crunching' anymore when I squat.
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    RE: Joint supplements 2005/07/27 19:46:32 (permalink)
    "crunching"

    What were the problems?


     
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    RE: Joint supplements 2005/07/27 19:58:01 (permalink)
    When I was a kid, I had Osgood Schlatter disease (I was a runner, a pretty good one too, but I had to stop). My knee healed up, but since then when I extend my right leg, my knee 'clicks' and make a 'crunchy' noise. Now, with glucosammine supplementation, it is less 'noisy'
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    RE: Joint supplements 2005/07/27 20:40:56 (permalink)
    Hmm, what exactly does OS disease do? Affect cartilage? Ligaments/tendons?

    I usually get a clicking sound here and there. My physio told me it was the ligament or whatnot going over an air socket or something and was perfectly fine as long as it didn't hurt...you mean another type of crunching though I'm assuming, did it hurt?


     
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    RE: Joint supplements 2005/07/27 22:20:58 (permalink)
    Description

    A common form of growing pains or overuse in early adolescence involves the shinbone and the knee. The shinbone (tibia) has a raised area just below the kneecap called the tibial tubercle. The tubercle has two important functions:

    It contributes to the growth of the leg.

    It is where the thigh muscle attaches to the shinbone through the kneecap tendon.

    Symptoms

    Swelling, enlargement of the tubercle and pain are common in kids with year round sports schedules.
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