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2009/07/15 00:57:36 (permalink)
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Judo for MMA?

Wanting to start up Judo to help my MMA, just wondering whether anyone does it and whether its helped there MMA game?
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    Re:Judo for MMA? 2009/07/15 01:04:34 (permalink)
    I did a fair bit of judo as a kid, can't comment on its application to competition MMA as I haven't fought in it or done any serious training in it.

    However, I will offer my opinion for what it's worth.

    On a basic level (like the training I did) it taught you good balance, some basic groundskills.

    However, as you progress my observations from talking to judoka is like anything their training becomes in a way dictated by judo rules. Thus little emphasis on groundwork, i.e. due to limited time allowed on ground.

    Higher level competition= lots of emphasis on grip fighting, (no application to MMA)

    Not many judoka or judo clubs ever take the gi off, perhaps making the transition to throwing no-gi hard? I mean how many judo guys actually compete at a high level in MMA? Negligible compared to wrestlers (although there are obvious exceptions)...

    From chatting to mates who are judoka they do have good conditioning and train hard.

    I think you may be better off with wrestling though mate?

    Have fun chap, judo's a great sport in itself.
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    Re:Judo for MMA? 2009/07/15 09:01:20 (permalink)
    Jimmy Wallhead was a Judo champ and has gone on to be one of the UKs bigegst names.

    If anything it will get you used to competing and get the nerves out of youa little.

    I have a friend who is a Judo blackbelt, hes now moving into grappling/striking and will no doubt end up in cage soon.
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    Re:Judo for MMA? 2009/07/15 10:44:23 (permalink)
    i did it as a kid and its helped me a lot with doorwork.

    but if your doing it soley for mma then i think bjj is more directly transferable. 
    the emphasis on utilising the gi renders a lot of the moves uselss in mma as theres no gi!
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    Re:Judo for MMA? 2009/07/15 10:59:57 (permalink)
    Forgive the possibly dumb comment, if you want to improve on MMA then take more MMA classes, surely your MMA class will teach you the sweeps and throws which are useful in a MMA context and you wont have to put up with all the rest of bowing and counting to 10 in Japanese pap?



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    Re:Judo for MMA? 2009/07/15 12:30:19 (permalink)
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    Forgive the possibly dumb comment, if you want to improve on MMA then take more MMA classes, surely your MMA class will teach you the sweeps and throws which are useful in a MMA context and you wont have to put up with all the rest of bowing and counting to 10 in Japanese pap?

    Badboy007 i do wrestle alot in my MMA class and when i move to London i will be doing wrestling classes.
     
    Its just for some more variation monitor, in my MMA classes when doing takedown sparring (if thats the right word) i have been using a couple of judo throws and legsweeps that i learnt from a friend of mine which have worked quite well against guys who are better wrestlers than me.
     
    Thanks for the input guys
     
     
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    Re:Judo for MMA? 2009/07/15 13:22:25 (permalink)
    Fair enough chap,

    There's only so many days in the week though! If you decide to go, Budokwai seems a good choice.
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    Re:Judo for MMA? 2009/07/15 14:20:35 (permalink)
    judo is good for mma apart from giving up your back to much, if you can avoid getting this habit your be fine.

    odog how can bjj be better because judo is in a gi? bjj is in a gi! lol

    lots of good judo guys in mma, karo, jimmy, suka..jou? (sp) lol helps with wrestling aswell.





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    Re:Judo for MMA? 2009/07/15 19:49:14 (permalink)
    JBRSS

    Wanting to start up Judo to help my MMA, just wondering whether anyone does it and whether its helped there MMA game?


    My current MMA teacher started in judo and was (is) very good at it, he said it gave him an incredibly good base against BJJ guys and his takedowns and graplling is superb. If you have the time I would do it, mind you a good MMA club should mix up judo style training with striking chokes etc.
    Good luck.
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    Re:Judo for MMA? 2009/07/16 00:00:27 (permalink)
    I've noticed a few MMA fighters that could benefit from knowledge of hip throws.

    BJJ is glorified judo, BJJ is the flavour of the month, If you train in judo whilst everyone else in MMA is training BJJ, you will have fight skills that many MMA practitioners will have no knowledge of.

    Generally most fighters in MMA have knowledge of, boxing/kickboxing, wrestling and BJJ.
    Those fighters who diversify into other martial arts are very successful. unorthodox/unexpected techniques will confuse and overwhelm your opponents.
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    Re:Judo for MMA? 2009/07/16 01:25:01 (permalink)

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    Re:Judo for MMA? 2009/07/16 09:20:40 (permalink)
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    I've noticed a few MMA fighters that could benefit from knowledge of hip throws.

    BJJ is glorified judo, BJJ is the flavour of the month, If you train in judo whilst everyone else in MMA is training BJJ, you will have fight skills that many MMA practitioners will have no knowledge of.

    Generally most fighters in MMA have knowledge of, boxing/kickboxing, wrestling and BJJ.
    Those fighters who diversify into other martial arts are very successful. unorthodox/unexpected techniques will confuse and overwhelm your opponents.


    Off topic, but I agree that MMA (especially top flight MMA) is becoming almost forumlaic with a lot of fighters seemingly having the obligatory Muay That and BJJ or wrestling skill set.

    For me, this strikes the question.  Is it because 'other arts' are overall less effective in the MMA environment?

    I've watched plenty of fights where combatants are apparently practitioners of some art or another, but when it comes to the fight, almost all of their moves seem to be low kicks, cross punch, hooks, grapple etc etc etc

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    Re:Judo for MMA? 2009/07/16 09:49:18 (permalink)
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    judo is good for mma apart from giving up your back to much, if you can avoid getting this habit your be fine.

    odog how can bjj be better because judo is in a gi? bjj is in a gi! lol

    lots of good judo guys in mma, karo, jimmy, suka..jou? (sp) lol helps with wrestling aswell.


    yea this is true lol!! the bjj i do is all geared towards fighting mma so we dont use gi's but guess traditionally they do
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    Re:Judo for MMA? 2009/07/16 11:06:55 (permalink)
    Not sure that learning Judo will give you a huge advantage at top flight level MMA.

    Look at Akiyama fighting the other day, probs one of the most decorated judoka in MMA but he wasn't doing anything that different from any other MMA fighter.

    Also, freestyle wrestling by its very nature will adopt throws from all sorts of different arts, including judo; i've seen quite a few judo type throws in wrestling vids i've seen (Youtube).

    It's all grappling at the end of the day, I don't think it will make that much difference if you do wrestling/judo/sambo, all seem to be adapted well for the cage and end up looking very similar without the gi on.

    When it comes to groundfighting, BJJ is undoubtedly king; due to the fact they do exclusively ground work in training compared to a small amount in BJJ.

    BJJ is a point in case though to say grappling is grappling; BJJ uses all sorts of techniques from all sorts of arts, innovates and makes them work through constant sparring and competition. There's only a few moves I can think of that are exclusive to BJJ.
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    Re:Judo for MMA? 2009/07/16 17:10:42 (permalink)
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    Off topic, but I agree that MMA (especially top flight MMA) is becoming almost forumlaic with a lot of fighters seemingly having the obligatory Muay That and BJJ or wrestling skill set.

    For me, this strikes the question.  Is it because 'other arts' are overall less effective in the MMA environment?

    I've watched plenty of fights where combatants are apparently practitioners of some art or another, but when it comes to the fight, almost all of their moves seem to be low kicks, cross punch, hooks, grapple etc etc etc


    Personally I don't feel they are any less effective, the effectiveness boils down to how the techniques are adapted and applied, In an MMA environment many moves from a variety of martial arts have to be discounted, they simply don't work without a GI or with striking or kicks etc.
     
    Adapting each discipline goes for every martial art including BJJ and wrestling
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    Re:Judo for MMA? 2009/07/17 17:26:11 (permalink)
    For MMA I'd say Greco Roman wrestling is a far better option than Judo for throws and takedowns.
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    Re:Judo for MMA? 2009/07/17 20:16:09 (permalink)
    BJJ is glorified judo, BJJ is the flavour of the month, If you train in judo whilst everyone else in MMA is training BJJ, you will have fight skills that many MMA practitioners will have no knowledge of.


    i dont agree with any of that myself, judo is good for throws. bjj ground work si far superior so it is no way a glorified judo.



    @odog yer i know mate i was just being awkward! lol i train bjj and never wear a gi as i didnt at the time intend on grading or entering jits comps. now i want to grade so getting a gi!



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    Re:Judo for MMA? 2009/07/17 20:44:57 (permalink)
    Judo like every other traditonal martial art has its applications in MMA its all about how you adopt it. IME Judo is invaluable for clinch work etc and the amount of times i have thrown people and landed straight in a dominant position is imo why i would rate it highly for mma. Dont bother with all the gi crap as its not transferable to mma but the throws etc and more importantly body positions are mint for mma


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    Re:Judo for MMA? 2009/07/18 11:31:02 (permalink)
    gi work is important for the door ive used many judo throws using clothing.  but for mma obviously not
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    Re:Judo for MMA? 2009/07/18 11:45:46 (permalink)
    ^^^^ Agreed. Where do you do the doors Odog?

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